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 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:57 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:41 pm
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Ethereal Darkness resonantscythe Well, I'm not saying my way is the "right" way of looking at things, or that people should see it only my way, just that for me, personally, stuff like the junk pile isn't good enough. I can actually see why people would like your doodlings. It actually is very intricate. And not to sound presumptuous, but I don't think intricate means what you think it means. It just means something twisted-up/complicated looking, which that picture is, whether or not it's art. Actually someone who's onto psychology could probably argue about that being some sort of message from your subconscious trying to spill out or some such thing. Dunno, never studied it myself, just rambling, haha. Now the thing about photography foe me is this: the person who took the picture had to A) Get there B) Decide on lighting and exposure C) decide on color or black and white, and if color, whether to use an effect, or use natural color D) Depending on what's being captured, use flash or not E) determine if time of day will affect the photo F) Decide on hand held or tripod and as an extension of that allowing or not allowing motion blur if any is present G)Unless the first try is spot on, take multiple pictures until the desired image is acquired. Unless the natural result is desired. So I feel photography takes plenty of effort and skill to catch a worthwhile image.
I would agree that my "random doodles" can possibly be subconscious messages to the external world. There is no such thing as "randomly performed action" in psychology after all -- but that's definitely off the topic at hand and could be best saved for another day xd
On your statement on photography:
Essentially this is the process in which things are defined -- one attempts to establish/reason out why something is considered Art to them. At the same token, this is the same process in which one can attempt to "sell" something to another as Art.
Of course, this brings me back to my continual statement on Art being defined mostly by personal opinions.
I chose to bring up photography because it is one of those Art "forms" that is widely argued over whether or not it is truly Art... simply because anyone with a camera could easily appear to be at the same level as "top level" photographers. A lot of talking and "explanation"/"persuasion" occurs when it comes to getting people to find appeal in photography -- at least in comparison to other "forms" such as Impressionism or Realism wherein "artistic skill" is definitely/easily observable.
To that I would say this: personally I feel that even if the photographer is not an artist, the picture itself can be art for capturing that artistic moment. The photo can have it's own intrinsic artistic value, independent of who took said picture. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:51 pm
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Ethereal Darkness Haha, 8P just an FYI to all of you -- I'm not trying to say your opinions are wrong or anything. I'm just presenting another opinion that is equally valid.
[That and I like intellectual discussion 4laugh !]
After all -- it is better to know different "languages" [perspectives, opinions, mindsets] than to know only one and be lost/ignored in foreign worlds.
[And any knowledge is good knowledge, the more you have the richer you are :3]
I am right there with you! I love a good intellectual conversation! xd We were asked that question in Art Appreciation in college, but no one really could give the professor a good answer of what art is and what art is not.
An amateur can create art with photography if that person tries to capture the essence of something or explore it in an interesting way. We had this thing at my university where people who studied abroad could enter pictures they took during their trips into a contest. There were some amazing pieces of art in those amateur photos. There was one with a ladybug in focus in the front with ancient buildings behind it. Where was another one that was a picture of the Taj Mahal taken through a key hole. The interesting ways that the pictures were taken made them art. Then again, the timeless black and white images of old cathedrals seemingly frozen in time was also art. Those were the ones that really stuck out in my mind anyway.
So, for the sake of argument, what should be the criteria for letting art into a museum? If you only had so much space, what kinds of art would you feel to be important enough to showcase? I know that Scythe already feels that that random junk piece that was thrown together doesn't belong. I don't feel much need to have a huge canvas with a couple horizontal lines across it. Since every artist has a unique perspective, wouldn't that make all art special? How would one filter art? |
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:23 am
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LilChibiusa Ethereal Darkness Haha, 8P just an FYI to all of you -- I'm not trying to say your opinions are wrong or anything. I'm just presenting another opinion that is equally valid.
[That and I like intellectual discussion 4laugh !]
After all -- it is better to know different "languages" [perspectives, opinions, mindsets] than to know only one and be lost/ignored in foreign worlds.
[And any knowledge is good knowledge, the more you have the richer you are :3] I am right there with you! I love a good intellectual conversation! xd We were asked that question in Art Appreciation in college, but no one really could give the professor a good answer of what art is and what art is not. An amateur can create art with photography if that person tries to capture the essence of something or explore it in an interesting way. We had this thing at my university where people who studied abroad could enter pictures they took during their trips into a contest. There were some amazing pieces of art in those amateur photos. There was one with a ladybug in focus in the front with ancient buildings behind it. Where was another one that was a picture of the Taj Mahal taken through a key hole. The interesting ways that the pictures were taken made them art. Then again, the timeless black and white images of old cathedrals seemingly frozen in time was also art. Those were the ones that really stuck out in my mind anyway. So, for the sake of argument, what should be the criteria for letting art into a museum? If you only had so much space, what kinds of art would you feel to be important enough to showcase? I know that Scythe already feels that that random junk piece that was thrown together doesn't belong. I don't feel much need to have a huge canvas with a couple horizontal lines across it. Since every artist has a unique perspective, wouldn't that make all art special? How would one filter art?
In the scenario you brought up... the best way to "fiter" Art is to put up which category you'd like to see hahaha -- especially with limited space kept in mind.
Simple answer, but XD that's how it's done -- SF is a good example wherein you have multiple museums each with their own theme. They're what I would call "specialized" museums
If I were to own my own museum, I'd have a piece of each "form".
Essentially... just like how famous museums are run. Sure, the showcase would be more "general"... but it attracts a wider variety and greater amount of people.
To summarize... a set criteria for Art being accepted into a museum would vary according to whether or not the museum is "specialized". If it is, then it needs to exhibit traits that shows it falls/belongs in the specified art "form" [ex: Realism -- the piece shows an obvious attempt to precisely capture, in a photographic manner, a subject]. When it comes to more "general" museums... it's the same only you refer to multiple art "forms" as well as go for the most intriguing/"innovative".
Of course, there's another thing that would override all of this and that's the question of whether or not you're the type of museum that allows the marketing of Art work. :Z It all becomes a matter of -- what sells the most [although, my art professors have always joked saying: "Is the artist dead? Yes?... Good! Raise the price tag!"].
And haha -- you'd be surprised how much Abstract pieces sell for. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:17 pm
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Ethereal Darkness LilChibiusa Ethereal Darkness Haha, 8P just an FYI to all of you -- I'm not trying to say your opinions are wrong or anything. I'm just presenting another opinion that is equally valid.
[That and I like intellectual discussion 4laugh !]
After all -- it is better to know different "languages" [perspectives, opinions, mindsets] than to know only one and be lost/ignored in foreign worlds.
[And any knowledge is good knowledge, the more you have the richer you are :3] I am right there with you! I love a good intellectual conversation! xd We were asked that question in Art Appreciation in college, but no one really could give the professor a good answer of what art is and what art is not. An amateur can create art with photography if that person tries to capture the essence of something or explore it in an interesting way. We had this thing at my university where people who studied abroad could enter pictures they took during their trips into a contest. There were some amazing pieces of art in those amateur photos. There was one with a ladybug in focus in the front with ancient buildings behind it. Where was another one that was a picture of the Taj Mahal taken through a key hole. The interesting ways that the pictures were taken made them art. Then again, the timeless black and white images of old cathedrals seemingly frozen in time was also art. Those were the ones that really stuck out in my mind anyway. So, for the sake of argument, what should be the criteria for letting art into a museum? If you only had so much space, what kinds of art would you feel to be important enough to showcase? I know that Scythe already feels that that random junk piece that was thrown together doesn't belong. I don't feel much need to have a huge canvas with a couple horizontal lines across it. Since every artist has a unique perspective, wouldn't that make all art special? How would one filter art?
In the scenario you brought up... the best way to "fiter" Art is to put up which category you'd like to see hahaha -- especially with limited space kept in mind.
Simple answer, but XD that's how it's done -- SF is a good example wherein you have multiple museums each with their own theme. They're what I would call "specialized" museums
If I were to own my own museum, I'd have a piece of each "form".
Essentially... just like how famous museums are run. Sure, the showcase would be more "general"... but it attracts a wider variety and greater amount of people.
To summarize... a set criteria for Art being accepted into a museum would vary according to whether or not the museum is "specialized". If it is, then it needs to exhibit traits that shows it falls/belongs in the specified art "form" [ex: Realism -- the piece shows an obvious attempt to precisely capture, in a photographic manner, a subject]. When it comes to more "general" museums... it's the same only you refer to multiple art "forms" as well as go for the most intriguing/"innovative".
Of course, there's another thing that would override all of this and that's the question of whether or not you're the type of museum that allows the marketing of Art work. :Z It all becomes a matter of -- what sells the most [although, my art professors have always joked saying: "Is the artist dead? Yes?... Good! Raise the price tag!"].
And haha -- you'd be surprised how much Abstract pieces sell for.
That's pretty good reasoning for the museum criteria. But, I wonder how a museum would decipher the "real art" from something some guy made as a joke to put into a modern art exhibit.
The price going up for the dead artist makes sense. I guess that makes the worked limited, and therefore collectible. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:58 pm
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LilChibiusa That's pretty good reasoning for the museum criteria. But, I wonder how a museum would decipher the "real art" from something some guy made as a joke to put into a modern art exhibit. The price going up for the dead artist makes sense. I guess that makes the worked limited, and therefore collectible.
XD I'd say to save on time and energy [coz, oh boy... there's just no way to know], they'd go by the honor system.
I mean... for example, there was a girl in my class for AP Art that had a mental disability and most of her pieces were done with finger paint. They looked similar to stuff little kids would make up [very colorful, bright, and rather simple], but our instructor was very supportive and found it to be an achievement on her part [I mean, she was able to relatively draw out full recognizable anatomies of animals after all...I'd imagine that'd be pretty damn hard if I couldn't even think correctly].
:Z At the end of that year where our stuff would be put out for exhibition, a lot of people looked at her Art all weird and wondered if it was a joke. Haha, :Z it was kind of funny to see their reactions when they found out it was made by a mentally disabled person.
So really, there's no way to tell whether or not an Art piece is a joke -- there's too many possible reasons and it doesn't have to be a mental problem, it could just be an attempt to show raw emotion or w/e.
Besides, if it sells well -- the entrepreneurial museum owner wouldn't even question it.
And oh yeah... if the artist can't make anymore, then all their work become priceless artifacts. :Z Man... reminds me of some weapons from this one renfaire booth -- their blacksmith [who is well known master I guess] was getting really old so they were attempting to get more people to buy now because the prices on their stuff will increase tremendously.
8D I just remembered their website: http://ageofchivalry.com/main.sc |
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:30 pm
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:21 pm
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:21 am
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:12 am
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:18 pm
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Ethereal Darkness LilChibiusa I love roleplaying. Maybe that's a side effect of acting in so many plays in college. lol Have fun making your costume! Do you know how to sew, or do you have someone to help you? I would love to make my own cosplay outfit for cons, but I have no sewing skills, and I don't have any friends who live near me who can help me make one. I have a few friends who could help me, but they don't live near me anymore.
Lol, yeah -- I'm not that into acting. It's okay, but eh... I'd rather stick to my own self which can pass off as a character [anti-hero] anyways.
And yeah -- 8D I know how to sew AND I have someone that can help me out if I've got some crazy shizz goin on.
:Z Sucks to hear that no ones around to help you -- although, it's not that hard to pick up :3 def a lot of guides and such you can find I'm sure.
That's so cool that you can sew! I have a couple friends who can sew, but they all live several hours from me. I've gotten patterns and tried to figure them out, but I can't figure out how to make things so that they will actually fit me. I could probably make something that would fit the generic size pattern, but I have no idea how to translate that into something that would fit my body. I don't know how to use a sewing machine, but I can do the basic stitch thing by hand. I don't know any techniques past that, so I'm pretty useless at it. My mom doesn't sew, so she was never able to teach me. I would like to learn sometime. I just don't know who to learn from. |
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:02 pm
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LilChibiusa Ethereal Darkness LilChibiusa I love roleplaying. Maybe that's a side effect of acting in so many plays in college. lol Have fun making your costume! Do you know how to sew, or do you have someone to help you? I would love to make my own cosplay outfit for cons, but I have no sewing skills, and I don't have any friends who live near me who can help me make one. I have a few friends who could help me, but they don't live near me anymore.
Lol, yeah -- I'm not that into acting. It's okay, but eh... I'd rather stick to my own self which can pass off as a character [anti-hero] anyways.
And yeah -- 8D I know how to sew AND I have someone that can help me out if I've got some crazy shizz goin on.
:Z Sucks to hear that no ones around to help you -- although, it's not that hard to pick up :3 def a lot of guides and such you can find I'm sure.That's so cool that you can sew! I have a couple friends who can sew, but they all live several hours from me. I've gotten patterns and tried to figure them out, but I can't figure out how to make things so that they will actually fit me. I could probably make something that would fit the generic size pattern, but I have no idea how to translate that into something that would fit my body. I don't know how to use a sewing machine, but I can do the basic stitch thing by hand. I don't know any techniques past that, so I'm pretty useless at it. My mom doesn't sew, so she was never able to teach me. I would like to learn sometime. I just don't know who to learn from.
:Z Hmmm... The patterns you have should say what size is what. Most of the time they're based off of chest measurements [esp if its flowy gown-like stuff].
Here's some nifty sewing how-to links that I actually think do a good job of explaining things:
http://sewing.about.com/library/lessons/bllessonindex.htm
http://www.wikihow.com/Sew-Using-Patterns |
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:41 pm
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Ethereal Darkness LilChibiusa Ethereal Darkness LilChibiusa I love roleplaying. Maybe that's a side effect of acting in so many plays in college. lol Have fun making your costume! Do you know how to sew, or do you have someone to help you? I would love to make my own cosplay outfit for cons, but I have no sewing skills, and I don't have any friends who live near me who can help me make one. I have a few friends who could help me, but they don't live near me anymore.
Lol, yeah -- I'm not that into acting. It's okay, but eh... I'd rather stick to my own self which can pass off as a character [anti-hero] anyways.
And yeah -- 8D I know how to sew AND I have someone that can help me out if I've got some crazy shizz goin on.
:Z Sucks to hear that no ones around to help you -- although, it's not that hard to pick up :3 def a lot of guides and such you can find I'm sure.That's so cool that you can sew! I have a couple friends who can sew, but they all live several hours from me. I've gotten patterns and tried to figure them out, but I can't figure out how to make things so that they will actually fit me. I could probably make something that would fit the generic size pattern, but I have no idea how to translate that into something that would fit my body. I don't know how to use a sewing machine, but I can do the basic stitch thing by hand. I don't know any techniques past that, so I'm pretty useless at it. My mom doesn't sew, so she was never able to teach me. I would like to learn sometime. I just don't know who to learn from.
:Z Hmmm... The patterns you have should say what size is what. Most of the time they're based off of chest measurements [esp if its flowy gown-like stuff].
Here's some nifty sewing how-to links that I actually think do a good job of explaining things:
http://sewing.about.com/library/lessons/bllessonindex.htm
http://www.wikihow.com/Sew-Using-Patterns
But, don't you have to account for chest, waist, and hip measurements? |
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:25 pm
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:50 am
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