Bad Garb

[Norobi]

Roetroc

The reason we have the SCA is because there was supposed to be a reasonable attempt and I for one, am happy to see a reasonable attempt. My first efforts at historical outfits weren't perfect, but they were reasonable attempts.

However, the amount of people who actually put what I would consider to be a reasonable attempt (even from the point of view of a beginner) in the SCA was so low that it put me off any kind of historical recreation for over ten years. So I got into it a bit later than some. When the same person has been wearing the same outfit of poly cotton for ten years, you'd have to ask yourself why are they bothering.

Because they find it FUN. That's what the SCA was all about in the beginning anyway, right? It started out as a backyard party in a medieval theme anyway!!

Just because they wear one thing doesn't mean they don't know the history.

But the SCA is becoming far too political. I was born into the SCA, because of my parents. And as I've grown up with it, I've noticed such a shift.

You can be your own historical nazi. Fine, you know you're historically accurate, congrats, you should get an award. (And you probably will, because dedication like that IS rewarded.) Don't push it on others. It's people like that that CONTINUALLY scare away potential new comers. I've seen it happen time and time again.  

[Norobi]

Kittywitch

Something else I feel the need to vent about:
Bad japanese.
People who don't have a japanese personna, don't do the research for the garb, and run about in what looks like pajama pants with ties on the side because they aren't full enough to pleat into hakuma and vaguely kimono-like shirt.
I think they just like to run around with katanas. neutral

haha!! I totally agree with you on this on!! XD

The funniest one yet was a bad attempt to do face paint....looked like clown with red hair in a silk robe. WOW  

[Naito_Mitsukai]

Worst I've seen is,

A girl in black jeans, black long-sleeve shirt, a black scarf across the bottom of her face, and a plastic 'katana'.

It PAINED me. gonk


The other I've seen is a guy wearing jeans, a modern T-shirt, with some logo on it, and what looked like a black costume cape. emo  

[Naito_Mitsukai]

Kittywitch

Naito_Mitsukai

Worst I've seen is,

A girl in black jeans, black long-sleeve shirt, a black scarf across the bottom of her face, and a plastic 'katana'.

It PAINED me. gonk


The other I've seen is a guy wearing jeans, a modern T-shirt, with some logo on it, and what looked like a black costume cape. emo

I write a comic with a character like that...

Like which?  

[Dragostae]

Naito_Mitsukai

Worst I've seen is,

A girl in black jeans, black long-sleeve shirt, a black scarf across the bottom of her face, and a plastic 'katana'.

It PAINED me. gonk


The other I've seen is a guy wearing jeans, a modern T-shirt, with some logo on it, and what looked like a black costume cape. emo

...ow. That hurts my head.  

[Naito_Mitsukai]

Yeah... I'm sorry, even my mother (who accompanied me on my last SCA event, because I needed a ride), took off her watch, put on a chemise, and a long, full, skirt.

She doesn't really like the whole acting thing, or the dressing-up thing, but she put up with it all for three days. Didn't complain once.


And my dad, he HATES both - but when he agreed to come out and help sing carols with my shire at the mall, he put on a tunic, wore brown slacks, and a period belt. (And avoided all things modern, except for his glasses).


But .. come on! A cape you bought during halloween, or a plastic 'Katana' and a scarf around your face is not SCA! gonk  

[Dragostae]

I guess I've not done a lot of events with "sacred space," so forgoing most things modern (sorry, y'all, I need my glasses), so I can't say I've done the acting thing. However, that is really neat of your parents to do so.

And yes, I will agree with you that a Walmart katana, costume cape, and a scarf does not SCA garb make. Ever.  

[Naito_Mitsukai]

Dragostae

I guess I've not done a lot of events with "sacred space," so forgoing most things modern (sorry, y'all, I need my glasses), so I can't say I've done the acting thing. However, that is really neat of your parents to do so.

Yeah, I mean when you talk to my parents at an SCA event, you know they're either a noobie, or not in the SCA. They don't really like the idea of acting like you're someone else, from another time (my dad hates it, my mother just doesn't like it).
So you won't get the "M'Lord"s or "M'Lady"s, or the nod of the head to passing Lords and Ladies, or the 'flowery' way of talking (I find it all great fun! xD).
But I mean, if I were to point out 'See that person wth the crown? That's the prince/princess/king/queen' - and they'd at least give a small bow or curtsy of some sort whenever I did.

They may not be members, and they may not like to completely participate - but they're respectful of the game, and those who play it, and act acordingly. 3nodding  

[Sylandri]

Norobi77

Roetroc

The reason we have the SCA is because there was supposed to be a reasonable attempt and I for one, am happy to see a reasonable attempt. My first efforts at historical outfits weren't perfect, but they were reasonable attempts.

However, the amount of people who actually put what I would consider to be a reasonable attempt (even from the point of view of a beginner) in the SCA was so low that it put me off any kind of historical recreation for over ten years. So I got into it a bit later than some. When the same person has been wearing the same outfit of poly cotton for ten years, you'd have to ask yourself why are they bothering.

Because they find it FUN. That's what the SCA was all about in the beginning anyway, right? It started out as a backyard party in a medieval theme anyway!!

Just because they wear one thing doesn't mean they don't know the history.

But the SCA is becoming far too political. I was born into the SCA, because of my parents. And as I've grown up with it, I've noticed such a shift.

You can be your own historical nazi. Fine, you know you're historically accurate, congrats, you should get an award. (And you probably will, because dedication like that IS rewarded.) Don't push it on others. It's people like that that CONTINUALLY scare away potential new comers. I've seen it happen time and time again.

It's the history nazi's that I'm afraid of, when I go to my first event... @.@
But, I'll do something like this:

Quote:

Ld/y Beingrude: That's not period!
Self: I beg your pardon?
Ld/y Beingrude: You're wearing a smishsmosh and they were NOT worn with ickybods until 1662! It's not period! [or some variation thereof]
Self: Oh, I see! How can I fix it?
Ld/y Beingrude: You should be wearing a bishbosh with your ickybod!
Self: Oh! Is that an offer to buy a bishbosh for me? I don't have any money right now, but if you give me a bishbosh, I would be only too happy to wear it!
Ld/y Beingrude usually leaves shortly after this point, or says yes. In both cases, you win!

(From the SCA Without Breaking the Bank website. Such a great site!)

Not that I actually expect anything like that to happen.  

[LessZoa]

Ahh! To recreate a female Irish fighter without insulting any of the garb nazis! And to do this in a place where linen and wool are really expensive and *gasp* rare to find (Hawaii is just way hot for real wool!)

Our quest begins with research...
Irish women tend to wear long skirts, not short kilts. Women also fought at the side of their men only when absolutely necessary. Most times, they just rolled up their skirts and grabbed a blade.

However, the odd female who took up steel rather than keep hearth and home found herself to be at a great disadvantage when it came to protection. Especially if she was ample of breast!

Most times, cow-hide was used for her armor, for no blacksmith worth his salt would worry over mass producing female breastplates. Imagine fitting her! So she wore thick cow leather on her upper body over her chemise which had been cut some (not finished with a hem). Next, she would somehow barter for shin guards (and we will not mention what she would barter!) and other pieces of armor. Most times it would stop there. Rare was the woman that would put a "steel pot" helmet on her head! (Believe me, they are most uncomfortable and gah what it does to the hair!)

Now she has her mish-mosh of armor - but... is missing colors. Yes, Irish plaid - not done like the Scotts (by clan) but done by where one lives. Pride is what backs any real fighter.. but a woman fighter? Aye, even if the blacksmith and the other warriors tend to look down upon the professional female warrior in some way, she is allowed her pride, and thus her tartan is worn for all to know where she is from. She wears it like any of the men, wrapped and folded and flung over the shoulder.


Need I go on?


Material is not easy to find here in Hawaii... I got my wool tartan in Milford, CT. I got my linen via snail mail from Belfast 9the only real linen there is!) and it cost me. I got my leather from a dealer in Texas... again, not cheap. Kilt made, chemise ragged... the leather is another story for I am not very good a leather craft. I might have to send it back to the mainland to someone I know who will cure, shape and create my breastplate.


I'm no garb-nazi.. this is more of a hertiage project than to please the nit-picky ones. You see, family legend has it that one of my female ancestors was a wild woman from the area around what is now known as Belfast... and she fought better than most men. She finally settled down and produced three daughters who spawned the rest of our family tree. She was called Kerriann ni Lassa (dark from fire) and lived circa 700 AD. Apparently she had a really hot temper.  

[Myythren]

Who are the Tuchuk now?

*goes to /cunnan.sca.org.au*

So there are Gorean's in the SCA now............. I have two somewhat on topic questions.

Are there chicks with them, and are they standard SCA fair or more traditional Gorean? Garb, behavior etc. Because that could be really really really fun, or very bad. Still not sure.

And now I'm really wondering about the party crack on the webpage.

edit: I really shouldn't do my own research. And I've settled on fun. It was the collars that tipped me off. Some of them are traditional.

But from this thread I take is they're not so well received garb wise?  

[GaijinGuy36]

Myythren

Who are the Tuchuk now?

*goes to /cunnan.sca.org.au*

So there are Gorean's in the SCA now............. I have two somewhat on topic questions.

Are there chicks with them, and are they standard SCA fair or more traditional Gorean? Garb, behavior etc. Because that could be really really really fun, or very bad. Still not sure.

And now I'm really wondering about the party crack on the webpage.

edit: I really shouldn't do my own research. And I've settled on fun. It was the collars that tipped me off. Some of them are traditional.

But from this thread I take is they're not so well received garb wise?

Gorean =/= SCA.
That's two wholly different beasts, right there. As for Gorean involvement in the SCA, well, if they can work it without breaking the rules or offending too many people, cool.