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Problem with Critiques in my guild

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School Of Dedicated RPers

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:26 pm


It always seems as if every one and their mother wants something of theirs critiqued, but nobody wants to critique. Or, more accurately, the people who are willing to critique are overwhelmed and just can not get to it all.

This is actually a problem that I have noticed every where I go, whether it be off of Gaia, or the time that I used to spend in the writer's forum. However, I am currently worried about this problem showing up in my guild, and one of the reasons I requested to join this guild was to get advice from you guys, or possibly even set up inter-guild activities.

My RP guild has two purposes;
1) a meeting/network place for RPers
2) help RPers improve their abilities to RP

(Not necessarily in that order!) I feel that my guild is only meeting one of these requirements, and I think that you can guess which one. We do have some great people set up in my Questions subforum who give advice and properly critique writing. However, we have a Character Development and a Writing subforum which are both practically neglected by critics. Many of the RPers who come in at the beginners level do not have a good foundation in the technical aspects of writing. It follows, then, that they cannot master the intricacies of creative writing involved in advanced RPing without first mastering the basics! We also have a good deal of "Intermediate" RPers, and some of them still have their hangups on the purely technical aspects, but they also need help with the more abstract aspects of writing.

It pains me to see this as I'm going through the RP threads, moving over half of them to beginners and knowing that they need the help that they are not really getting. Setting good examples with our advanced and intermediate RPs is great, but it's not enough. How can I get critics interested in joining or staying/participating in the critiquing parts of my guild? Have any of you noticed this problem elsewhere, or do I just have bad luck (or am I doing something wrong?)?

One idea that we're considering is giving out an award. In theory, we give out awards periodically for various things, but there is no gaia gold or any thing attached to it. We were thinking of having a critic of the week and have a monetary value attached. What do you think of that? What amount should it be? What about the frequency?

Another idea is something that I hoped might appeal to you guys. Would you like to set up a critiquing "booth" any place in my guild, and have your guild properly advertised there? You could run it wherever and however you wanted, and if we did any awards or things like that, you guys would certainly be eligible. As I mentioned, we do have a lot of hapless beginners, but we also have more advanced players that could also benefit from your collective expertise.

Lastly, if we had a contest that required that the entries be marked up/edited as part of the screening or awarding process, could we pay you guys to do that part? I had a character contest once that was great fun, but I wasn't able to give the in depth critiques that I had wanted to because I was only one person.

Even if the most that you could give is advice, I would really appreciate it.

Regards,
School of Dedicated RPers
aka Penden
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:06 am


Okay, from what I've just read it seems that people aren't willing to change their RPing styles to match your own satisfaction. As a dedicated RPer and guild owner of an RP guild, it’s a quite simple way to solve it. You give them a warning to stop doing what they’re doing wrong, if they do not comply that’s when you take action. Do as you see fit.

I understand how you feel about the improper grammar in RPers nowadays, and I understand how much it pains you about them not advancing to a new level. Many newbies don’t realize how much this will help them later on in life, kindly explain that to them if you will.

Now another thing that arose my suspicion is that why would you let RPers in your guild if they’re not going to follow your rules? They obviously send requests and with that request should be an example of their RPing style. Then you choose what do deem them as. Have very well advanced RPers and intermediate ones at Crew level. That way you can control what they are doing and beginning RPers won’t mix with them.  Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:03 am


Is it just a matter of people being unwilling to change their writing styles? It is becoming more and more common on the internet to use abbreviations, the dreaded txt tlk, and just generally neglect grammar.

Personally, I enjoy critiquing papers and poems, however I find it's awkward to offer too many changes when I am not certain my help is wanted. When I skim through poetry forums I always look for people who say that constructive criticism is welcome, otherwise I avoid it (especially if I read a bit and it's bad).

Are the people in your guild genuinely looking for help, or are you forcing it on them? It's no use to advise away if no one wants the help. I don't really RP any more, but if you really just need someone to help advise I wouldn't mind helping. I may be fuzzy on some of the finer (i.e. outdated, or at least generally ingnored) points of grammar, but I do pretty well. Send me a PM if you want.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:21 am


I'm not talking about people who have expressed no interest in getting help. Also, I'm not sure where you got the impression that we have a lot of rule breakers. We do have some people who break the rules, and their threads are dealt with accordingly on the first offense and they can be banned on a subsequent offenses.

I mentioned moving threads because they are supposed to post RPs in the main forum, and most people do, and then the mods move them to beginner, intermediate, or advanced. I believe that this labeling shocks many people into realizing, if they didn't already know, that they need to get better. Also, because of how many RPs get sent to beginners, I imagine that it is much harder to get and keep RPers there, so by that fact alone the Intermediate and Advanced subforums should be coveted.

We have 3 subforums dedicated to getting people help, but only one is being used consistently by the people who are capable of helping. In the character and writing subforum, people will post their work and ask for critique, and generally not get it.

I hope that clears things up. We let every one in on the pretense that they either need help or want to help others with their RPing (as well as find people to RP with). Screening members with a writing sample would exclude the people that we wish to help the most.

One great idea that someone gave me was to start writing workshops. You can see that here. any feedback on that idea?

MrsMica

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