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I own a copy of each game, and have downloaded copies of the 2 SuikoGaiden games for Ps1 that were never released in here.

Also, as of earlier this month, a new title has been trademarked called Suikoden Tierkreis.... granted, all this means is that if they make a game, they have a name... but people trademark names all the time... still, its a hopeful step in the right direction.

My only argument is that the Suikoden series is NOT better than ff7 or any other FF game created. FF7 was full of significant plotholes, to the point that they had to make multiple games after the fact to fill them...and they killed off one of the only characters that was worth playing with... as for Sephiroth, he is a whiny momma's boy in comparison to a Suikoden Villain such as Luca Blight, who killed and slaughtered for the sake of killing and slaughtering. The main characters of Suikoden (Tir, Riou, Lazlo and Frej Falenas specifically since 3 was kind of a gray area) are so much easier to sympathize with, since in reality, they REALLY get the short end of the stick if you think about it.

it was a good attempt by Squaresoft for the first 3d RPG game... but in the end, the story and characters for Suikoden far outweigh the broken complexities that is the FF7 world.

YES!!!! -jizzes himself- SOMEONE WHO PLAYS! I LOOOOVE THIS GAME... especially three (i love the way they set up the trinity sight, to allow you to see the three views of the main characters, and then they have thomas, koroku and then Luc(when you beat the game with all 108 stars) I'm so glad i grabbed a copy of it when it came out, suikoden 2 cost 100 dollars on ebay, isn't that insane? Anyway, yes, The only thing I hated about this game was the fact that it ended. And another thing I dislike suikoden 5, even though the battle system was fixed, and then the map was better and so were the monsters, I just didn't like it.

EDIT FROM CAPTAIN: Hey the sexual connotations, can we please keep them to a minimum, actually I am going to add this to the rules. But... We do have underagers in here and I really do not want to make them feel uncomfortable... sorry for adding this but... yeah...

I'm gonna disagree with everyone haha — Suikoden IV was my favorite.

I played through Suikoden 4, but never all the way to the end. I'm bad at RPGs that way, I often take a break when the end is nigh and I never get back to them... Anyway, good series, I enjoyed 4 a lot, and was sucked in with the anime cutscene opening (which sadly never showed up again as the mode for cutscenes =) I liked the narrative bouncing between the three main characters a lot, especially when it all comes together at last and you choose one as your leader and such. I enjoyed the castle capital city too. It's got one of the best "epic" type plots in a game I have played, i.e. nations going at it, and all the many factions doing their things, I am really impressed with the integrity with which it managed to execute things in the plot o,0

Now, I shall skip (ok, so I'm not really skipping them at all haha) the slanders to FF7 ... which really doesn't have many, if any holes in the plot... and also the fact that they never made sequels to explain aforementioned holes... (though there ARE sequels, they were made purely to try and milk the success of FF7, which they really failed at recapturing with 8 and 9, and yes, the sequels to 7 are hidddeous... I am not completely forgiving Square for Dirge of Cerberus, or even Advent Children. However, these sequels are precisely so crappy because there is NO room after 7 for any sequels, and they twisted stuff from 7 to even make them work...) AHEM! Anyway, speaking of Final Fantasies, FF12 tries the same kind of epic sweeping Nation vs. Nation story line, but falls short of Suikoden 4 on good execution of it.

I tried Sui5 and didn't get into it... Slow wind up, and I think at that time something I wanted to play more came out hehe.

I have to say though my favorite series isn't Suikoden, though I appreciate it a lot... And no, I don't think FF beats out Suikoden... however...

I am a real fanatic for the Shin Megami Tensei games, especially Persona 3 and Nocturne. wink Those are my picks for best RPGs around. For tactics games, the original FFT was brilliantz! It was HARD, yes, but still great o,0 but... nonetheless, it's also not the best in that genre, either, least by my reckoning. The Nippon Ichi games, such as Disgaea, Phantom Kingdom, etc, are. wink

Well, although I DO love 2 and own it, I still find the best to be 5 JUST based on graphics in comparison of the two. Because game play, intricate game play, and team formations were all the same. Seriously, 5 was a 3d version of 2... All the way through. IMO that is why I loved 5 better than 2 HOWEVER 2 STILL has an uber load of merit.

Sephirob... first off, if you disagree explain why! And did that!!! That is why we are here, it is to learn from each other! Also, 4!?!?!?!?!?! I mean Sure the boat was awesome and so were the naval battles but COME ON! All the characters were extremely easy to get! What was it in particular that made you love that one over all the rest?

Hehehe yes the characters were easy to get in 4, but I truly only like to spend the "customary" 99 hours on a RPG rarely if I can help it, unless it just devours my soul and I cannot stop playing it.

I say this as my FF12 clock has ticked to 147 hours. UGH. My biggest issue with 12 is the randomness in getting certain monsters and loot. Lets hope this "make single player RPGs like freakin' MMORPGs" trend goes away >,< But that is neither here nor there...

Sometimes shorter RPGs are awesome. Shin Megami Tensei series games are this way, for the most part. Nocturne sure isn't, I did 120 some odd hours in that, and still cannot beat the uber boss for the ending I unlocked... But still... Persona 3 and Digital Devil Saga games tend to be short, tightly packed, fun and intense 40 to 60 hour romps. I liked that about Sui4.

Ahem. Anyway, yeah it was easy to find a ton of the stars, but I still enjoyed it, cause populating the castle was really cool hehe. I also like the art from 4 the best, very good characters designs, and very good characters.

There is something to be said for the first entry you play in a series. They tend to stick with you as your favorite, hence the continuing popularity of FF7, most likely. I know it was certainly the first big time RPG I played. Same goes for Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. I will always love that game the best of the series, even though I went back and played the NES and SNES titles, and have played every Castlevania on the DS and such as well. I judge the series based on how great Nocturne was.

Suikoden 4 was where I started. I hear they are doing a Suikoden for the PS3... I'll be playing that... in part cause I am addicted to HD gaming now. wink

Kojin - First off you are right on! I didn't even think about the rune magic, as compared to 2. I mean once I got the Twilight Rune I was set in 5. She was then on my team irregardless, especially when I attack and gain a lvl 4 spell back LOL XD!

Sephirob - I had no idea they were releasing a new one!!!! O_O I may actually WANT the PS3 now... JUST for that game. I mean I got the PS2 JUST for FFX LOL!

Lion - I dunno who the 3 are that never played... It is a shame though cuz they are missing out of one of the better series out there!

Bahaha I did get them reversed, was thinking completely backwards. III is the one with ol' 'waiting for Geddoe" and Chris etc. THAT is the one I think is great hehe, IV is the one I couldn't get into. What? I haven't played it for years, and I play so much else that it goes by the wayside.

Besides, I, of all my gaming friends, is one of the only ones into RPGs. I can't even get any of them to check out SMT series titles, so I never talk about an especially rarely game like Suikoden. wink

III... thats the good one. VI I have only about 5 hours logged on. >,<