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Sometimes I wonder, what with all I see online and at gatherings. It seems to me like a lot of people don't take it seriously- they seem to play at magic, and accept no accountability for their actions. For example,
I see people cast spells and then post online that they cast this spell and got what they asked for, and are now confused for some reason.
I see people who on one hand talk a great deal about the power of words and language, but pepper their speech with enough curses and swear words to make me want to dive for cover.
I've spoken with people who, when approached with the concept that perhaps their magical interference in a matter may be unethical, misguided, or imbalancing a delicate situation, will respond that "it's only a spell, it can't hurt anything."
Sometimes people's views on magic seem to parallel the views on herbal medicine I've seen- it's more "natural," and therefore can do no harm and only good. Unfortunately, the view is wrong on both counts- and irresponsible use of magic is just as problematic as the irresponsible use of any other sort of power or influence.
I'd love to conduct a survey one of these days, toe see how many people actually treat magic as the force they claim to believe in. But I've no idea of how to go about it- on the whole, these people don't think they're being irresponsible at all, they think I'm overcautious. neutral Anyway, thanks for listening to my rant. It comes up from time to time, lol.
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:57 pm
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:22 pm
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:44 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:19 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:48 am
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:10 am
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:30 pm
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Mitsh SiegeDragomon I don't belive in it to begin with, the problem is that no matter what kinds of power people claim to have regardless if it's logical or not. Everyone uses a diffent excuse every time. It's one thing to boost willpower and things like Artimis mentioned but people he talk about thier "energy work" come out sounding silly to me. Ethical standards don't matter because the only person acually effected is themselves. No matter how much chanting and cursing and wanting the person does that bad luck is never goiing to happen, nor is a lightning bolt going to stike thier enemy down. People cast a love spell and then gather the confidence to ask thier crush out, it worked. It must have been the spell! It's the same ilogical desire to want to belive in something we as a species are always prone to. What I do as 'magic' is typically meditation and mental exersizes. In a similar vein, one must be wary of only attributing success to personal psychological factors. "It must have been the spell!" is just as easy to throw out as "It must have been their selfconfidence!" One can be hardline dogmatic about the psychological model as much as they can any other. That's not to say I don't agree with you. My own favourite theory of magic is that it /is/ just arranged coincidence, albeit one people just simply shove the label of "Generic Coincidence" on without considering the implications of being able to get things via coincidence every time.
I'm not claiming their self confidence got them the date, simply that the love spell gave them the self confidence to try in the first place.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:15 pm
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SiegeDragomon Mitsh SiegeDragomon I don't belive in it to begin with, the problem is that no matter what kinds of power people claim to have regardless if it's logical or not. Everyone uses a diffent excuse every time. It's one thing to boost willpower and things like Artimis mentioned but people he talk about thier "energy work" come out sounding silly to me. Ethical standards don't matter because the only person acually effected is themselves. No matter how much chanting and cursing and wanting the person does that bad luck is never goiing to happen, nor is a lightning bolt going to stike thier enemy down. People cast a love spell and then gather the confidence to ask thier crush out, it worked. It must have been the spell! It's the same ilogical desire to want to belive in something we as a species are always prone to. What I do as 'magic' is typically meditation and mental exersizes. In a similar vein, one must be wary of only attributing success to personal psychological factors. "It must have been the spell!" is just as easy to throw out as "It must have been their selfconfidence!" One can be hardline dogmatic about the psychological model as much as they can any other. That's not to say I don't agree with you. My own favourite theory of magic is that it /is/ just arranged coincidence, albeit one people just simply shove the label of "Generic Coincidence" on without considering the implications of being able to get things via coincidence every time. I'm not claiming their self confidence got them the date, simply that the love spell gave them the self confidence to try in the first place.
You could attribute that to the maxim of "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - NLP (to me, anyhow) seems to be largely made up of what we previously considered magick. Placebos and "fake it til you make it" has a lot in common with magickal laws of similitude.
That said, in a sense, the love spell did in fact work. Not through the most inherently obvious medium (and also not through a completely provable medium), but they performed the spell and got the desired result.
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:55 pm
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Mitsh SiegeDragomon Mitsh SiegeDragomon I don't belive in it to begin with, the problem is that no matter what kinds of power people claim to have regardless if it's logical or not. Everyone uses a diffent excuse every time. It's one thing to boost willpower and things like Artimis mentioned but people he talk about thier "energy work" come out sounding silly to me. Ethical standards don't matter because the only person acually effected is themselves. No matter how much chanting and cursing and wanting the person does that bad luck is never goiing to happen, nor is a lightning bolt going to stike thier enemy down. People cast a love spell and then gather the confidence to ask thier crush out, it worked. It must have been the spell! It's the same ilogical desire to want to belive in something we as a species are always prone to. What I do as 'magic' is typically meditation and mental exersizes. In a similar vein, one must be wary of only attributing success to personal psychological factors. "It must have been the spell!" is just as easy to throw out as "It must have been their selfconfidence!" One can be hardline dogmatic about the psychological model as much as they can any other. That's not to say I don't agree with you. My own favourite theory of magic is that it /is/ just arranged coincidence, albeit one people just simply shove the label of "Generic Coincidence" on without considering the implications of being able to get things via coincidence every time. I'm not claiming their self confidence got them the date, simply that the love spell gave them the self confidence to try in the first place. You could attribute that to the maxim of "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - NLP (to me, anyhow) seems to be largely made up of what we previously considered magick. Placebos and "fake it til you make it" has a lot in common with magickal laws of similitude. That said, in a sense, the love spell did in fact work. Not through the most inherently obvious medium (and also not through a completely provable medium), but they performed the spell and got the desired result.
Although i always thought the quote would be more accurate as "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic to the ignorant"
But the same logic could be put into anything, for example. I could jump up and down while flailing my arms wildly and call it a good luck spell and then take a test. Now while i would say I got an A because i worked my a** off in class It would be by your logic possible to claim that I performed the spell and got the desired result.
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