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 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:52 am
Bismillah ---
Ok, so this is the subject of a research I'm doing. But it's also open for discussion!
So, to all those non-muslim members of this guild, what do you think of Islam, as I think that most people think that this is a religon that points at bombing yourself for the sake of Allah -- Which is really not --.
So, what do you really think about Islam? And, did those bombing in the different spots of the world effect your view about muslims? Do you think that islam calls for violence? If you saw a person praying in the islamic way, would you be afraid?
Do you think that media over does it?
-- Salam
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:17 am
In this world there is many satan's and many people who got no life... And who wana say something...
Example some people look at a aiorplane at the night, and tell they saw an UFO... That's like muslims, people think they are stupid...
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:13 pm
If this is a survey, then your question will cause response bias in its wording (and also voluntary response bias).
But in answer, I have no opinion of Islam in general as to its violence or non-violence. I know many Muslims who are kind and tolerant. And obviously there are some Muslims who take an extreme. From what I know, the Qur'an itself is confusing on the subject of violence.
I haven't seen any people "praying in the Muslims way" (although I do see Muslim women around sometimes). I don't think I'd be afraid though.
I don't watch TV, so I really wouldn't know.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:35 pm
Mini_Angel_1994 what do you think of Islam, as I think that most people think that this is a religon that points at bombing yourself for the sake of Allah
I think that it is a religion where people can easily manipulate the masses and is permanently stuck in archaic ideas.
Mini_Angel_1994 So, what do you really think about Islam?
One other perspective on the world that believes if you believe in a certain power, you will be granted eternal life.
Simply put, another way of viewing the world that I do not care to follow.
Mini_Angel_1994 And, did those bombing in the different spots of the world effect your view about muslims?
It made me realize that once again, people kill for the sake of their religion and in the name of God, while most normal followers are silently smothered by the brainwashed and powerful.
And that Islam is struggling to cope with the modern world. Mini_Angel_1994 Do you think that islam calls for violence?
At times, I wonder, espcially when there are children raised in suicide camps, trained to kill with scripts from the Koran tied around their head. Mini_Angel_1994 If you saw a person praying in the islamic way, would you be afraid?
I am more afraid of Muslim logic. It really, really bothers me that people can be so generalizing and refuse to accept anything other than black and white. Mini_Angel_1994 Do you think that media over does it?
Depends on who covers it. Some news stations are more biased than others. Over in Iraq and Afghanistan, the media tends to forget progress that has been made.
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:05 am
Bismillah ---
Absurd, Britomartis-the-Valiant, thank you for answering, I really appreciate it.
Now, I'm going to discuss what you guys said, Absurd said that it's stuck in archiac ideas, well, a news flash to you my friend, Islam is suitable for every period of time. For example, if a woman can't get pregnant because there are some kind of stuff made in her womb that kills the spirm of her husband, the new technology invented a new way, they take out the womb, and take the spirm of the husband, and they do their things in the lab. That's totally ok with Islam, but notice, on Prophet Muhammad's period of time, there wasn't anything like that. But we just compaire things, Islam forbade a husband cheating on his wife. So, we can't include another party in the process, whether it's a womb, or a spirm of another person, the baby is theirs, am I right?
We can't just say that Islam is stuck in archiac ideas, I totally disagree with you Absurd.
And those people who train children, aren't muslims! You guys can't understand this! They understand Islam in the wrong way, it took Prophet Muhammad alot of time to get into wars, and he only did it because the enemy was hurting them! And those people have no other way than fighting. Which I totally hate, because we should discuss first, and it's your choice, whether Islam is the true religon, or not!
Again thanks for answering, I really appreciate it.
--- Salam
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:57 am
Mini_Angel_1994 Bismillah ---
Absurd, Britomartis-the-Valiant, thank you for answering, I really appreciate it.
Now, I'm going to discuss what you guys said, Absurd said that it's stuck in archiac ideas, well, a news flash to you my friend, Islam is suitable for every period of time. For example, if a woman can't get pregnant because there are some kind of stuff made in her womb that kills the spirm of her husband, the new technology invented a new way, they take out the womb, and take the spirm of the husband, and they do their things in the lab. That's totally ok with Islam, but notice, on Prophet Muhammad's period of time, there wasn't anything like that. But we just compaire things, Islam forbade a husband cheating on his wife. So, we can't include another party in the process, whether it's a womb, or a spirm of another person, the baby is theirs, am I right?
We can't just say that Islam is stuck in archiac ideas, I totally disagree with you Absurd.
And those people who train children, aren't muslims! You guys can't understand this! They understand Islam in the wrong way, it took Prophet Muhammad alot of time to get into wars, and he only did it because the enemy was hurting them! And those people have no other way than fighting. Which I totally hate, because we should discuss first, and it's your choice, whether Islam is the true religon, or not!
Again thanks for answering, I really appreciate it.
--- Salam
Reasons why I think Islam is archaic:
1) men and women should be separated, men always lust for women
2)Men will always lust after women
3)Uncovered women can attract lustful men (possibly)and engage in "sinful" activities
4) How people get married in Islam, and why girls can't date
5) The sheer fact that these so-called Muslims are killing people in the name of religion. Other religions have evolved long ago to get over themselves and not allow extremists to take it upon themselves to kill for religion. There's enough of it to show that people are stuck in old ways of thinking "eye for an eye"
6) The fact that although Islam condemns honor killing, it still tolerates it among Pakistanis, Arabs and other Muslim nations. In fact, honor killings are done in the USA and in the UK.
7) When someone says that "homosexuality is evil because god says so" And thus stone/hang homosexuals
8 ) The Koran is still manipulated to promote marital abuse.
9) It is still a patriarchal society, with a wife having to ask permission of her husband to work.
10) The whole childish notion "because god says so" for your reasoning. My goodness, even Catholics have evolved to the point where the use reason to justify their dedication to their God.
11) Taking the Scriptures as literally and infallible (this goes for any religion that does this, in my opinion)
...I could go on
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:33 am
This is for school, soo make good answers 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:53 pm
Mini_Angel_1994 . . .the new technology invented a new way, they take out the womb, and take the spirm of the husband, and they do their things in the lab. That's totally ok with Islam. . . They don't take out the womb by the way. They unite egg and sperm and implant the resulting embryo in the woman's womb. I'm surprised that Islam wouldn't condemn this because they don't unite just one egg and sperm, but many and the resulting embryos are not implanted (they do many so that they can be sure of getting at least one embryo). These embryos are usually thrown away, but there is a movement to use them for stem cell research. Does Islam consider an embryo to be human or not? If so, does it count as murder to throw an unused embryo away? Sorry for being off topic. =P
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:30 pm
Britomartis-the-Valiant Mini_Angel_1994 . . .the new technology invented a new way, they take out the womb, and take the spirm of the husband, and they do their things in the lab. That's totally ok with Islam. . . They don't take out the womb by the way. They unite egg and sperm and implant the resulting embryo in the woman's womb. I'm surprised that Islam wouldn't condemn this because they don't unite just one egg and sperm, but many and the resulting embryos are not implanted (they do many so that they can be sure of getting at least one embryo). These embryos are usually thrown away, but there is a movement to use them for stem cell research. Does Islam consider an embryo to be human or not? If so, does it count as murder to throw an unused embryo away? Sorry for being off topic. =P
It's called artificial insemination.
D: it's done with a needle to get back into the woman's uterus. talk about uncomfortable.
And some women just want to be single mothers and have been successfully raising their children without a help of a father. I don't see why these women have to be condemned when it comes to getting a sperm donation. I know I wouldn't do it personally, but other women have done so without a problem.
And see, I don't understand why your prophet has to fight. If he was truly a messenger of peace he would never take up the sword, even to defend his life.
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:31 am
Lol, I have absulotly no idea what you guys are talking about, but this is an answer for Absurd..
When Prophet Muhammad raised a nation, and he had many people turning into Islam, it was time to make an islamic country for himself. So he started teaching them about Islam. The ( Moshrekeen ) What we call the people who take another God other than Allah, were always against Muhammad, they used to torture the people back in their city, Prophet Muhammad wanted to set them free. And for your information, people who used to be with Prophet Muhammad, left all of their things and money, their houses, back in the city, and went with Prophet Muhammad to Yathreb ( the other city where Prophet Muhammad went ) because The Moshrekeen were so harmful, and they couldn't do their duty to Allah in there because Moshrekeen were torturing them. So it's basically to tell them: Get off our backs!! It's defending themselves only! Won't you defend yourself? Even though you were a peacemaker, then everyone will think you are weak!
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:04 pm
islam means peace -- and the quran has not been changed EVER! and it never will, because Allah Subhana wa' ta'alah protects it - its not a violoent religion at all - as i said the word islam means peace - so how can it be violont??
jus because a person calls themselves a muslim the bombs a place down doesnt mean that the true religion is like that -- the person who did that is like that and religion has nothing to do with it!!
its like if a christian did it, or any other reliogion person - we cant say that ''oh, christiaity is violent ..'' - it dont work like that - but when it comes to muslims ppl do -- i just dont get that -- maybe ppl just jump to conclusions 2 fast and personally islam is a true religion of peace and it spreads Allah swt's message to all of humanity and pple are just doing their best to ignor it --
so yea thats what i think!! biggrin biggrin
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:39 pm
Quote: So, what do you really think about Islam? There is a God, and it is the same God as the Christians and the Jews. All you have to do is say Jesus isn't the savior and add Muhammad. Quote: And, did those bombing in the different spots of the world effect your view about muslims? Nope. I saw them as crazy people in a desperate situation. Quote: Do you think that islam calls for violence? No, almost no religion calls for violence. You can manipulate any religion for violence, and that is when it gets scary. Quote: If you saw a person praying in the islamic way, would you be afraid? I would look at them funny, then look away. They are praying to the same God, so why would it matter the way you pray? Yeah, I don't see that much difference between religions as a Christian. I probably won't be that much help.
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:53 am
Hmm... Should i go to rally and find a racist to answer these questions? LøL razz Hey! Lemme give u a idea! Go to gaia forum, and ask... U whill proberly get lotsa racist's to answer too!
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:40 am
Bismillah,
Thanks for your answer, and I think you're right, basically it's the same Allah we're both worshipping, but the thing is that you people think that Jesus is the son of Allah. And Allah didn't take a wife or children. So you're religon is different in only one prospective.
, Salam!
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:21 am
Mini_Angel_1994 Bismillah,
Thanks for your answer, and I think you're right, basically it's the same Allah we're both worshipping, but the thing is that you people think that Jesus is the son of Allah. And Allah didn't take a wife or children. So you're religon is different in only one prospective.
, Salam! Hm, maybe I should explain. When we say that Jesus is the Son of God, we don't mean it in a literal, biological sense (after all, we're called the children of God and how could that be literal and biological). Instead the word shows the relation between God the Son and God the Father. Because God never changes, we know that this relationship always existed. And also, this explains how God could be a loving God even before He created us. Now, you might wonder why we have "three gods." We don't. We believe in one God like you, but we believe that God is more complex than a human. I've heard it compared to a lamp. God the Father as the lamp itself, God the Son as the light coming from the lamp, and God the Holy Spirit as the relationship between the lamp and the light. Three things within one. I'd say this perspective changes everything. =P
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