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 Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:21 am
Salam! I've ben thinking about something...
You know stuff like flowers have fellings, and it hurts when You hit them.
My question is, that when we go in the grass. And we walk and all the flowers and that... Is that alright?
And what about cutting a rose?
And burning non-wished flowers?
And walking on small animals (ect. ants, worm)
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:47 pm
Well, I wouldn't consider walking on grass to be a murder (because, well, walking on grass doesn't kill it).
And also, I don't think that plants have nerve cells, which doesn't allow them to feel. But they ARE alive. I have never thought of it this way... I think it is up to us to take care of nature. After all, Adam and Eve were supposed to take care of our world, so... I think we should take care of it! :]
As for squashing insects, and worms, then I would suppose that we are killing the animals. I wouldn't say it's okay to kill them, but we do it accidentally a lot... And most animals DO have nerves, so they can feel. That's why I support PETA, and organization against animal cruelty. Seeing animals treated the way they are in slaughterhouses is incredibly sad...
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:00 am
Plants, as far as we know, can't feel things. Plus we have to eat them to survive, you know? So you'll end up needing to pick them anyway.
Animals can feel things. We need to eat them too (unless you're a vegetarian, but vegetarians normally don't get all of the right proteins and such). So killing an animal when you need to eat or when it tries to kill you is okay, because it's a necessity. And stepping on bugs... If it's an accident, no. It doesn't count. "Murder" is when you kill someone on purpose without any real need to.
I don't kill bugs or animals. I do pick flowers now and then, but that's about it.
I think that, if there's no need to hurt someone, you shouldn't do it.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:40 am
Salam!
It is not murder or wrong to go around Stepping on Plants or Grass Or Trees, it becomes wrong we set out with Mallice in our hearts to acheive Destruction of nature and it's animals for no other purpose but to Destroy and Cause pain.
Even when we use Nature and animals for our own benifit (Food, Clothing, Milk , Materials , Paper etc) We should do so in a way that is responsible.
I for one Despise PETA it's nothing but a collection of Terrorists.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:24 am
Ofcurse we may kill animals FOR GOOD REASONS like food and that!
AND FLOWERS DO HAVE FEELINGS! Maybe every flower can't express it ore talk, but it can still hurt.
And cutting roses for no good reason, isen't that haram?
And whatabout ants?
When you walk on them example... And is it alright to kill a snake, cause it may bite you?
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:35 am
Zaaki Ofcurse we may kill animals FOR GOOD REASONS like food and that! AND FLOWERS DO HAVE FEELINGS! Maybe every flower can't express it ore talk, but it can still hurt. And cutting roses for no good reason, isen't that haram? And whatabout ants? When you walk on them example... And is it alright to kill a snake, cause it may bite you? Flowers can't feel pain. They don't have nerve endings or the complex brains that humans and most animals have. Walking on ants isn't murder, because you're doing it on accident. You don't mean to hurt anyone. But what are you going to do, just not walk? If you're stomping on them on purpose, TRYING to kill them, then yes, that's bad. If the snake is leaving you alone, you should leave it alone. But if it starts to attack, then yes. Kill it because it may kill you if you don't.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:30 pm
I don't care if they don't have nerves razz It still hurts xp
And you don't need a brain 3nodding
Aliens can do fine, without it. lol
And whatabout mugs, I don't know if i spelled right... Those who fly, and stick you, and thake your blood.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:06 pm
Nerves=pain, well, only techically if they are hooked up to the brain. Sorry flower, but you look pretty, so I'll pick you. I'll eat the food off the tree too and kill the animal, wait, I don't do that because they are already killed for me at the supermarket. Better not let the good tasting meat rot. I mean, the meat is already dead.
Bugs I don't care about. If they land on me or if they are anywhere near me, they die or I send my cats to take care of it. Sorry, bugs just creep me out. I really don't care about killing them...at all. I hate bugs!
I'm an unemotional person when it comes to animals or bugs.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:28 pm
Allah knows best if plants can feel, but they definitely are alive - just as much as humans. The one example which comes to me is when the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasallam used to lean on a palm tree while giving Khutbas. One week he stopped doing that and stood a few feet away from the tree, and the tree began to cry, for everyone to hear. He went back to leaning on the tree and it stopped crying. This also shows that they "understand" their surroundings. It just happened that the people could hear this particular tree. Here's more info: http://allaahuakbar.net/jain/geographical_location.htm(that website is really good in general because it has good articles. however at the same time it puts forth many extreme views, so basically don't take everything at face value on that website)
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:14 am
Kewl, I diden't know a tree could cry loud wink
But what does Islam says about killing...
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:36 am
Zaaki I don't care if they don't have nerves razz It still hurts xp And you don't need a brain 3nodding Aliens can do fine, without it. lol And whatabout mugs, I don't know if i spelled right... Those who fly, and stick you, and thake your blood. Zaaki, I don't think you're understanding. You must have nerves and a complex brain to feel pain. That is how we feel physical pain. I think you mean mosquitoes. Some mosquitoes carry malaria, which is a disease that can kill people. If you're in a country with those mosquitoes, yes, kill them so they don't hurt you. But if you're in a country where mosquitoes don't normally carry malaria (such as the United States), there's no real reason to kill them. It's only female mosquitoes that bite, and they do it to nourish their babies. I would feel wrong killing a harmless mosquito, because it's just being a good mother. If it were carrying malaria, it would be a different story.
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:32 am
I just heard it hurt on them! And I belive that wink
And yes I was talking about those 3nodding They don't give malaria to me, but they still steal your blood... Isen't it alright killing those?
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:21 pm
We Dont Negotiate Salam! It is not murder or wrong to go around Stepping on Plants or Grass Or Trees, it becomes wrong we set out with Mallice in our hearts to acheive Destruction of nature and it's animals for no other purpose but to Destroy and Cause pain. Even when we use Nature and animals for our own benifit (Food, Clothing, Milk , Materials , Paper etc) We should do so in a way that is responsible. I for one Despise PETA it's nothing but a collection of Terrorists. But PETA is People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. How are they "terrorists?" I though they wanted to protect animals! O:
And I live in the US and there are still cases of Malaria. Luckily, we have the technology and medication to cure those who obtain the virus. But, when the mother mosquitos bite... they can leave very itchy bumps on our skin, especially with people who may have allergic reactions to the bites. So... We often do smack the bugs when they touch us! XD But, we also wear insect repellent which keeps bugs away from us. :]
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:16 pm
A case of West Nile (a virus we don't have a cure for) broke out down here in Florida. Three people had it, and two people died. It was carried by mosquitoes, so we killed the little suckers if we didn't already.
PETA...I really don't respect them that much. They go to too much of an extreme with protecting animals. Some of the demostrations are distrubing. I really feel sorry for all the vegatarians out there that have to deal with being associated with PETA.
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:22 am
I live in Kentucky in the U.S. I'm pretty sure that mosquitoes here are harmless. I always brush them off, but I can't bring myself to smack them.
About PETA. It's a good cause, but the execution isn't right.
It's got a very "end justifies the means" feel to it, and I don't like it.
It reminds me of the anti-abortionists that bomb abortion clinics.
But Zaaki, you shouldn't believe everything you hear. Do some research on it yourself and you'll know that plants can't feel pain.
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