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ArmasTermin

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:35 pm
tl;dr in red

Many a year ago I was a big fan of swords, brought on by Zelda: Ocarina of Time. I wanted my own sword since I was about 8. I eventually got one for my 13th birthday, but it was a POS wall-hanger that's tang snapped inside the grip when the blade connected with a twig. I've owned other largely useless display swords since then but never anything suitable for cutting anything, let alone combat. I wanted to change that after I had a job, but with my gun enthusiasm keeping me from spending the $500+ needed for a decent sword, I didn't get one.

Except one doesn't need $500 for a decent sword. I think it was Stoic Socialist that linked me to the sword-buyer's guide website (thanks Stoic!) where I read about battle-ready swords for under $300. I thought what I wanted was a wakizashi or a short-medium length medieval sword. But a certain review on the sword-buyer's guide clicked something in my head. What I really had to have... was a Chinese Jian of all things. Meet Mei Ling, the Cold Steel Gim (gim = jian).

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Videos (not of me):
A jian in use (to be fair, this is a dull, floppy, lighweight sword he's using, not suited for actual combat. It just represents forms and some manners of use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Zt7WwZCrQ

The gim itself in action! Watch it chop bamboo, cardboard tubes, and hanging meat! Watch a man bend the gim severely! Watch the gim puncture the hood of a car! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R02HRDfyxdw

I chopped through some flying cabbages (those things can come out of nowhere!) before learning the stuff in most vegetables isn't good for carbon steel. And made a fairly clean slice (for my first time) through a water-filled milk jug. The scabbard is gorgeous red-brown with a nice wood grain pattern and the handle is rosewood. There's zero shake or looseness in the unit and the blade flexes nicely without being too wobbly. Remember it's the tree that bends that doesn't break. The cast brass fittings are elegant and seem stuck on fairly well. And the unit is held together by a nut on the end and a wooden dowel stuck through the grip (visible on my photograph).

The scabbard holds the blade almost too securely, taking a bit of an effort to remove. But I guess being a bit sticky is better than too loose. And another thing to note--this thing is a helluva lot heavier than any "sword" I've used. Actually tired me out pretty quick swinging it around and cutting. It's not prohibitive at all, I just need to get used to it. Then I'll be a nimble cutting machine. It's still swift and slices so cleanly through the air that there's an audible woosh sound. An extremely handsome and elegant sword, the Chinese regarded the jian as the gentleman of weapons, and the forging techniques often used to make it such as folding and differential hardening were taken by Japanese smiths and applied to the katana.

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The only thing I don't like about this sword is a few spots of rust on the blade. How might I get rid of them without hurting the blade? I could probably trade it in for a different one, but I'd much rather save myself the shipping cost and the time without this awesome sword if I could. My dad said the rust was on there for good, but that's not enough to convince me it can't be taken off. Too stubborn for that. Even if I can't get rid of it, maybe I should just keep it? The rust seems only cosmetic.

If you're interested in a real sword at a good price:

http://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/index.html

http://www.kultofathena.com/

And don't worry guys, I haven't become a weeboo or anything. Revolvers to the extreme! I'll probably end up getting a decent katana sometime, but that'll be about it with me and swords.





P.S. - The gim can stab through a tank!


More (better) pics!

Whole unit
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Grip close-up
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Guard close-up
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Pommel close-up
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Scabbard fitting close-up
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Scabbard close-up
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It's based on a "carp" design.  
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:58 pm
ArmasTermin

P.S. - The gim can stab through a tank!
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Thdark


Stoic Socialist

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:06 pm
I'm still saving for my sword, still undecided what it'll be, though. sweatdrop

Congrats on the new sword, and remember to be safe with it. Especially during when chopping up those malignant flying cabbages! I'd hate to here about someone who cut open their leg pretty badly.

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Not to discourage, heck, firearms and fire are potentially dangerous things that I enjoy, just be careful.

Now that that's over with... It sounds like you had fun, and it sounds like you bought a quality sword for a quality manufacturer. I'm happy I helped.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:30 pm
You know, while I've never been interested in Katanas and all that, I DO find the idea of fencing and sabers to be "cool".

No school I went to offered fencing, probably because I went to public school, but it would always be interesting to learn.

And yes, congratulations on your purchase.
 

Thdark


ArmasTermin

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:39 pm
I did read that post on the SBG forum about that nasty cut. Good thing the guy's (mostly) okay. At least he knows he got a great product! lol

No, that's not funny.

I love the gim so far. It's just sooooo different from every other "sword" I've ever handled. There's absolutely no comparison from those $20 eBay things and a finely-honed edged weapon based on Chinese swordsmithing designs.

But, to be fair, the gim isn't historically accurate. It's heavier and beefier than traditional jians, and has a threaded pommel rather than a peened one. I don't really care, though.  
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:45 pm
Thdark
You know, while I've never been interested in Katanas and all that, I DO find the idea of fencing and sabers to be "cool".

No school I went to offered fencing, probably because I went to public school, but it would always be interesting to learn.

And yes, congratulations on your purchase.


To be honest, most of my liking in katanas is based on, and I'm not proud to admit part one, 1) anime, 2) the Japanese warrior culture and the romanticism of their swords' creation.

I realized that when I swung my wallhangers around, I used them similar to how one uses jians. It seemed like a natural choice to me. I would go for a medieval sword next, but it would be a one-hander and I already have a one-hander in Mei Ling. Plus I'm not really into forward short strokes common to European arms.  

ArmasTermin


Fresnel
Crew

Citizen

PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:07 pm
ArmasTermin
The only thing I don't like about this sword is a few spots of rust on the blade. How might I get rid of them without hurting the blade?
Try fine (#0000) steel wool. Should strip it right off and polish up the blade a touch. It might leave some super-fine scratches, but after a month of use the rest of the sword will match it anyway.

And good choice for the wood scabbard. Apparently leather tanning acids will rust the s**t out of a sword... not that you could tell that by mine.  
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:46 am
Fresnel
ArmasTermin
The only thing I don't like about this sword is a few spots of rust on the blade. How might I get rid of them without hurting the blade?
Try fine (#0000) steel wool. Should strip it right off and polish up the blade a touch. It might leave some super-fine scratches, but after a month of use the rest of the sword will match it anyway.

And good choice for the wood scabbard. Apparently leather tanning acids will rust the s**t out of a sword... not that you could tell that by mine.


I'd heard that about the leather sheaths. I prefer wood scabbards anyway, and jians always have them, except for some instances of fiberglass used.

It really looks great, though. I'm going to get more pictures.  

ArmasTermin


Maddness91

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:52 pm
authentic Imperial Prussian M1889 Infantry Officer’s Degen, ca. 1900 (found pic Here)

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Has a nice German eagle on the hilt to mrgreen

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self sharpening metal sheath, with belt loop... all in all a solid weapon...

Right now... this is my main weapon sweatdrop  
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:01 pm
I'll admit, that's pretty cool. I like how it's a cavalry sword trying to be a long sword. smile  

Stoic Socialist


Man of the Demoneye

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:54 pm
Nice choice. I have to admit, when I was first looking at sword types I looked at the jian and said "why the hell would anyone want a flimsy POS like that?" Then I held one and fell in love. Actually mine is one of the thin ones, but it is light, balanced and super fast. Plus I can still redirect the average sword with it. Also, I second Fresnel's suggestion about rust removal. #0000 wool and Hoppe's will take the rust (slowly) off.  
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:59 pm
Funny thing; this show on the Military Channel, "World's Greatest" or something like that, had the katana as the #10 greatest weapon.

And my community college offers fencing..... twisted  

Requiem ex Inferni

Eloquent Streaker


Man of the Demoneye

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:06 pm
Requiem in Mortis
Funny thing; this show on the Military Channel, "World's Greatest" or something like that, had the katana as the #10 greatest weapon.

And my community college offers fencing..... twisted

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:33 pm
Requiem in Mortis
Funny thing; this show on the Military Channel, "World's Greatest" or something like that, had the katana as the #10 greatest weapon.

And my community college offers fencing..... twisted


Ours doesn't, but there's a group that is into it and was trying to get funded and established.
Also had the deal where you wear mock armor and s**t.

Head guy got some BS about his credits not being accepted and his girlfriend dumped him, that and some douchebag had a hair in his a** about fencing and all that and was looking for one reason to keep the club out.  

Barru


ArmasTermin

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:47 pm
Man of the Demoneye
Nice choice. I have to admit, when I was first looking at sword types I looked at the jian and said "why the hell would anyone want a flimsy POS like that?" Then I held one and fell in love. Actually mine is one of the thin ones, but it is light, balanced and super fast. Plus I can still redirect the average sword with it. Also, I second Fresnel's suggestion about rust removal. #0000 wool and Hoppe's will take the rust (slowly) off.


Fighting jians weren't so wobbly as the ones you see demonstrators using in forms and stuff. The combat-oriented ones were stiffer and heavier, but not by a whole lot. Agility was large concern. The Chinese didn't use plate armor like the Europeans so they didn't need wide blades with a thin point.  
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