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The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:11 am


Asalam Alaykum biggrin

I ben hearing from alot of people in Denmark who studied Islam, that the qur'an dossen't tell about wearing a hijab.

They say it tells women not to show, but not to wear a hijab. So i was wondering what is the right thing. Cause i know there is a reason why people are wearing hijab.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:12 pm


wa Aleekum All Salam..
and i am hearing that too...but its not true ...because the Quran tell them to wear it...cuz its useful for us

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The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:11 am


could u give me a quote from Qur'an, so i can prove them they are wrong? smile
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:51 am


Abu Dawood, Book 32, Number 4090:

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin:

When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, THE WOMEN OF ANSAR CAME OUT AS IF THEY HAD CROWS OVER THEIR HEADS BY WEARING OUTER GARMENTS.

Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 282:

Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba:

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and COVERED THEIR FACES WITH THE CUT PIECES
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I hope this can help u

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:11 am


Luna Lusia
Abu Dawood, Book 32, Number 4090:

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin:

When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, THE WOMEN OF ANSAR CAME OUT AS IF THEY HAD CROWS OVER THEIR HEADS BY WEARING OUTER GARMENTS.

Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 282:

Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba:

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and COVERED THEIR FACES WITH THE CUT PIECES
_____________________________________________________________

I hope this can help u

Ur giving me hadits sweatdrop What would i tell to a shi'a muslim who don't belive in hadits?

Can u give me quotes from the qur'an smile

Cause people say "it's the imaams who tells them to wear it, not god."
PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:33 am


ohh sorry bout that... xd
i'll ask my teacher bout it
i'll tell u as soon as i get it ok!
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here what i got from the internet....

credit to: http://www.muhajabah.com/whyhijab.htm

So, what do the Quran and Sunna say about hijab? There are two ayat of the Quran that deal with hijab. These are Surah an-Nur ayah 31 and Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59. Let's look at what these ayat say, and how the Prophet (sAas) has explained them.

Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says:

Wa qul li al-mu'minat yaghdudna min absarihinna wa yahfazna furujahunna wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa maa zahara min haa wal-yadribna bi khumurihinna ala juyubihinna; wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa li bu'ulatihinna aw aba'ihinna aw aba'i bu'ulatihinna aw abna'ihinna aw abna'i bu'ulatihinna aw ikhwanihinna aw bani ikhwanihinna aw bani akhawatihinna aw nisa'ihinna aw maa malakat aymanu hunna aw at-tabi'ina ghayri ulu'l-irbat min ar-rijal aw at-tifl alladhina lam yazharu ala awrat an-nisa wa laa yadribna bi arjulihinna li yu'lama maa yukhfina min zenatahinna. Wa tubu ilaAllahi jami'an, ayyuha al-mu'minun la'allakum tuflihun

And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful

Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59 says:

Ya ayyuha an-Nabiyy qul li azwajika wa banatika wa nisa al-mu'minin yudnina alayhinna min jalabib hinna; dhalika adna an yu'rafna fa laa yu'dhayn. Wa kana Allahu Ghafur Rahim

O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.

Together, these two ayat lay out seven commandments for Muslim sisters:

1. "to lower their gazes"
2. "to guard their private parts"
3. "not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it"
4. "to extend their headcoverings to cover their bosoms"
5. "not to display their beauty except to their husbands or their fathers..."
6. "not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide"
7. "to draw their outergarments close around themselves"

It can be seen that three of these commandments relate to behavior. These are:

* lowering the gaze
* guarding the private parts
* not striking the feet on the ground so as to give knowledge of what is hidden

Lowering the gaze means not looking at what is forbidden to be seen of others. Guarding the private parts means that only the husband is allowed to see or touch them. Not giving knowledge of what is hidden means not posturing or strutting around so as to jangle hidden jewelry or make men think about hidden body parts. All of these are part of what Allah SWT has commanded in regard to hijab.

The other four commandments relate to dress, and can really be expressed as three rules:

* not displaying the beauty beyond "what is apparent of it" except to the people listed in 24:31
* extending the headcovering to cover the bosom
* drawing the outergarment close around

What exactly is the meaning of each of these rules? For this, we need to look to the Sunna, because the Sunna shows us how the Prophet (sAas) explained the Quran.

The Prophet (sAas) explained to Asma bint Abu Bakr (rAa) that the phrase "what is apparent of it" refers to the face and hands. This is narrated by Aisha Umm al-Muminin (rAa), Qatada (rAa), and Asma bint Umais (rAa). This has been confirmed as the explanation of the phrase by the following scholars:

Sahaba: Aisha Umm al-Muminin (rAa), ibn Abbas (rAa), Anas ibn Malik (rAa), and Miswar ibn Makhrama (rAa)

Tabi'un: Ata (rAa), Qatada (rAa), Sa'id ibn Jubayr (rAa), Mujahid (rAa), al-Hasan (rAa), and al-Dahhak (rAa)

Commentators on the Quran: Imam Tabari, Imam Zamakhshari, Imam Razi, and Imam Qurtubi

In fact, the majority of scholars have agreed that the phrase "what is apparent of it" refers to the face and hands. For further information, please see Opinions of Scholars in Favor of Displaying the Face and Hands.

Therefore, the first rule can really be phrased as "do not display the beauty except for the face and hands around non-mahram men". This is the basic rule of hijab. You must recognize it. This is where it comes from. It is nothing other than the Prophet's (sAas) explanation of the Quran.

The second rule is to extend the headcovering (khimar) to cover the bosom. The commentators on the Quran have explained exactly what this command entails:

Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi: "Women in those days used to cover their heads with the khimar, throwing its ends upon their backs. This left the neck and the upper part of the chest bare, along with the ears, in the manner of the Christians. Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar."

Imam Abu'l-Fida ibn Kathir: "'Extend their khimars to cover their bosoms' means that they should wear the khimar in such a way that they cover their chests so that they will be different from the women of the jahiliyyah who did not do that but would pass in front of men with their chests uncovered and with their necks, forelocks, and earrings uncovered."

From this we can see that the jahili women wore their khimars kaffiyah-style, with the ends tossed over their backs. This covered most of the hair, but left the forelock (front of the hair), the ears, the neck, and the upper chest uncovered. Then when the commandment, "Extend their khimars to cover their bosoms," was revealed, the women secured their khimars around the circles of their faces, fastened them at the chin, and let the ends drape down toward their bosoms. This would cover the forelock, the ears, the neck, and the upper chest, just as Imam Qurtubi and Imam ibn Kathir have indicated. And the end result is clearly a headscarf.

So what we have is that all of the body except the face and hands is commanded to be covered around non-mahram men (by the clause "not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it"), and the covering of the hair, ears, neck, and upper chest is specifically to be accomplished by the khimar (headscarf).

These are the two rules indicated by Surah an-Nur ayah 31, and once we understand how the Prophet (sAas) explained the meaning of the ayah, we can see that it clearly and explicitly sets out the dress of the Muslim sister around non-mahram men: a headscarf and conservative clothing that together cover everything but the face and the hands.

There is also the commandment in Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59 to wear a jilbab (outergarment). According to the majority of the scholars, this commandment applies when a sister is outdoors or in open public places (like the market or the masjid). The jilbab is thus the modest Islamic coat that goes over our modest Islamic clothes whenever we would wear a coat.

To learn more about the jilbab, please read my article Evidences for Jilbab. This sets out dalils from the Quran and Sunna, and the opinions of the scholars regarding the jilbab. To summarize the information in that document, the jilbab is any garment that meets the following conditions:

* it is an outergarment, an extra layer, something worn over the clothes
* it is thick and opaque and loosely cut so that it conceals what is underneath it
* if it is worn with a khimar and with socks and shoes, it should cover from the shoulders to the ankles; if it is worn without these, it must cover everything but the face and hands, like a cloak

Again, the jilbab is to be worn outdoors and in open public places. The purpose of wearing the jilbab is to assert our Islamic identity and to provide protection from harassment for us. It is part of our hijab for these locations.

Summary
According to the Quran and Sunna, hijab consists of modest behavior in lowering the gaze, guarding the private parts, and avoiding showing off, and of modest dress. The modest dress includes a headscarf and must cover all of the body except the face and the hands. Outdoors and in open public places, a long coat (jilbab) should be worn in addition to the modest dress commanded by Surah an-Nur ayah 31. Each of these obligations is clearly set out in the Quran and has been explained by the Prophet (sAas).


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The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:00 pm


the first quote.

It says men who do not have sexual desires. Can see it.... Which means gays. Soo gays can see it? surprised

And slaves? Slaves, are they even allowed?

I'm just wondering, not arguing against smile


And thanks biggrin
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:36 am


hm,actually its involving mazhab thingy xd
so i cant answer,plus don't trust internet too much about Islam.Its better if u learn from Al-Quran 3nodding I'm always reading Al-Quran,but as far as i remember,Al-Quran doesnt say to wear hijab,but to wear anything that can hide some parts that u've to hide . 3nodding

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The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:34 am


uzumaki arina1
hm,actually its involving mazhab thingy xd
so i cant answer,plus don't trust internet too much about Islam.Its better if u learn from Al-Quran 3nodding I'm always reading Al-Quran,but as far as i remember,Al-Quran doesnt say to wear hijab,but to wear anything that can hide some parts that u've to hide . 3nodding
Read the big post, there are quotes wink
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:15 pm


The_Pathan
Luna Lusia
Abu Dawood, Book 32, Number 4090:

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin:

When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, THE WOMEN OF ANSAR CAME OUT AS IF THEY HAD CROWS OVER THEIR HEADS BY WEARING OUTER GARMENTS.

Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 282:

Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba:

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): "They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms," was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and COVERED THEIR FACES WITH THE CUT PIECES
_____________________________________________________________

I hope this can help u

Ur giving me hadits sweatdrop What would i tell to a shi'a muslim who don't belive in hadits?

Can u give me quotes from the qur'an smile

Cause people say "it's the imaams who tells them to wear it, not god."

shias do believe in hadiths.........

XxXZero_BeatXxX


The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:38 am


Don't really agree...

It's rule to wear hijab... If u don't it's punnishment.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:28 pm


Well, I personally don't wear the hijab or Khimar on day-to-day life..
as for modesty, I do cover.. I rarely wear short sleeves unless its really hot outside. I find that what I wear is acceptable, and I'm thinking about wearing the hijab daily as well.
Now I think that more people should start to dress more appropriately, like honestly if you don't care about yourself.. at least have the decency to wear a good pair of pants... like I don't want to see your underwear or whatever. Some people are really disturbing.

Bharatanatyam dancer1


Bharatanatyam dancer1

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:31 pm


The_Pathan
Don't really agree...

It's rule to wear hijab... If u don't it's punnishment.


yes.. in fact it is considered that women who don't wear the hijab are sinful.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:46 pm


The_Pathan
Asalam Alaykum biggrin

I ben hearing from alot of people in Denmark who studied Islam, that the qur'an dossen't tell about wearing a hijab.

They say it tells women not to show, but not to wear a hijab. So i was wondering what is the right thing. Cause i know there is a reason why people are wearing hijab.


Well in the surah

And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear them extend their veils over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known

it says to extend the veil over the bosoms.. but from what is it being extended from?? If Allah wanted us to cover just our bosoms then why doesn't the Qur'an specify in more of making sure that our shirts reach all the way up to our necks or something???

Bharatanatyam dancer1

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