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PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Captain
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 Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:45 pm
Abortion, is it wrong to get an abortion if there is just reason for it? Or is abortion ok, when there is a good reason why. What are your thoughts on abortions. Are you for it or against it? I dub this....OPEN!!!
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:39 pm
i personally say if they need it for medical reasons or are way too young and can't find any foster parents then it's okay but not like do it if you just messed up it's still a human
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:34 pm
So long as the child has not left the mother then it is okay, now it is not somehting you can just do lightly but unless the child has left the mother it has no soul and can be killed while still conforming to my religions beliefs
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:31 pm
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:44 pm
It's funny, a lot of people seem to think that pro-life and religion goes hand in hand but it wasn't until my views turned more atheistic that I became pro-life. It was on moral grounds based on my philosophical view on life that I came to that decision.
Morally I'm against abortion, it's a biological human life that we are deciding over and I believe that all human life should be protected although realistically I'm pro-choice. The mother's life is at stake too, I don't know her situation, I don't know the state of her mental or physical health, I don't know the outside influences affecting her and that has to be taken into consideration. So realistically I cannot protect the mother and her rights, society cannot do it, so although I'm against the choice based on ethical grounds I see it as a necessity at this stage in life.
As a revert to the Catholic faith I find myself taking the same position.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:27 pm
But what I don’t get about the catholic faith is that it denies some of the most basic rights to people all over the world
For one im pretty sure the Vatican is against gay marriage, im also sure that its against abortion (Maybe the mother doesn’t want the child, and no adoption is not a choice there are to many kids in that system anyway and I want to give them a better chance)
both of those are things I want made legal all over the planet
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:07 pm
I personally wouldn't do it and I do think it's wrong, but I'm pro-choice.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:21 pm
Where I stand on the issue is that, well, I wouldn't really know what I would think if I were in the potential mothers' shoes. I am not female. I cannot hold nor give birth to a child. I cannot begin to fathom what some women may think as they come to the conclusion of having to give up a child in such a way.
To each their own, even in this retrospect. Their bodies. Their will.
Of course, some women may and even have/do use this as a scapegoat simply because of sudden surprises, complications, or perhaps they just could not keep their legs closed. Everyone has their own story and they're damn well sticking to it.
A perfectly healthy woman, in my mind, should not terminate the child, but who are we to stop her?
Now, for some women who are physically, mentally, emotionally crippled in some way - or if the child is in danger in some way - then I can see where the abortion is issued due to a medical emergency.
But really, who are we to say what someone can and cannot do with their own body? Medically speaking, a child is no a child until it passes through the birth canal fully and is capable of surviving on its own. Until then it is simply a clump of flesh and organs.
And this is my garbled, sleep-induced comment starter.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:32 pm
Actually if you take into mind how large the human population is and how much of a burden we are on this planet then i think it should be made an option even to a women who is in perfect health and will have the perfect baby
LOL your the first person ive met on here that actually shares a similar belief to mine aka the beleif that the child is not really a child until it leaves the mother
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:43 pm
Indeed, the population is quite troublesome and even with the option of foster care and adoption it's all just adding to the picture that we are running out of room.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:49 pm
simple solution, render large amounts of every ethnic group sterile, and only allow those with the best chances of creating a healthy population to reproduce, that would eliminate diseases and it would lower our population drastically
LOL or NASA, etc needs to figure out a way of sending our excess population to other planets
Then again I don’t think anyone would agree to that
Makes me wish ................. nvm you would never believe me
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:57 pm
If people went to the extremes of choice breeding, it could very well turn into another holocaust. It would be another way to create separation from individuality and a lot of hostility would occur. And besides, there are genetic mishaps in every form of birth. I may not have a lot of external problems, but I have asthma and depleting sight. From what I can tell from some of my family members, I just may be the only one with sight problems and this form of asthma.
Some freak things just happen. You cannot fully control these things unless you go sci-fi and genetically alter yourself the DNA strands that cause what and what.
And besides, sex is good. Not all uh oh babies were made due to carelessness. s**t happens.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:06 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX But what I don’t get about the catholic faith is that it denies some of the most basic rights to people all over the world For one im pretty sure the Vatican is against gay marriage, im also sure that its against abortion (Maybe the mother doesn’t want the child, and no adoption is not a choice there are to many kids in that system anyway and I want to give them a better chance) both of those are things I want made legal all over the planet Marriage isn't a basic right. How does trying to protect all life constitute a denial of a basic right?
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:48 pm
Yes it is, marriage is actually a legal term as well as a religious one that means two people are viewed by the state and their religion as being bound. That and if gay marriage is made legal it could help sway future arguments between the straight and gay communities
If you have read my previous posts your not destroying a life, instead you are removing a large amount of unwanted flesh and etc from your body.
Thus its not murder and simply a medical procedure and so it becomes a basic right >.>
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:12 am
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Yes it is, marriage is actually a legal term as well as a religious one that means two people are viewed by the state and their religion as being bound. That and if gay marriage is made legal it could help sway future arguments between the straight and gay communities You still haven't shown why it's a basic right... Basic rights example: The right to life Marriage is just a created institution that serves as a foundation for society through the growth and development of a familial unit which certainly gay couples should most definitely qualify for but call it what it is. Quote: If you have read my previous posts your not destroying a life, instead you are removing a large amount of unwanted flesh and etc from your body. Thus its not murder and simply a medical procedure and so it becomes a basic right >.> Removing a tumor would be removing a large chunk of unwanted flesh from your body. I'm talking about bio 101 here. The embryo/fetus is human, it's alive, it's a separate life genetically distinct from the mother. You may deem it small and unworthy of having it's own rights but that gets into the philosophy on personhood and you could make the case that it shouldn't be granted personhood but you cannot deny the biological fact that that hunk of flesh is a separate growing human at an early stage in development.
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