The Zeitgeist Movement

[Spooky Wasabi Princess]

This is a movement that I am a part of. Has anyone heard of it, seen the movies, listen to the Pod Casts?

I think this is an important movement to try and get people aware of. I can't explain it as well as I would like so I've gone ahead and copy-pasted this from the website (my apologies to people who think that makes me uninformed on this topic):


Synopsis

Fluid social change can only materialize if two circumstances are met. One, the human value system, which consists of our understandings and beliefs, must be updated and changed through education and thoughtful introspection. Two, the environment surrounding that value system must change to support the new world view. The interaction between a person's value system and their environment is what influences human behavior.

For example, in our culture, "ethics" is really a matter of degree, for our social system promotes and rewards competition and self-interest. This perspective doesn't just "lead" to aberrant behavior... it creates it directly. Corruption is the norm in our society and most people do not see this, for since the society supports this behavior, it is considered right and normal... or as a matter of degree.

Given this understanding, there is a fallacy that has emerged where certain groups are deemed "corrupt" and everyone else is "good". This is the age old "us and them" world view which has no basis empirically, for it is, again, all a matter of degree.

For example, there is a large movement of people who constantly talk about "The New World Order" and this notion that there is an elite group of people who have been trying to take over the world for a long time and have manipulated society in various ways to further their goals.

This, of course, is true to a certain extent.

BUT, the failure of awareness is that this "group" is not a group at all. It is a tendency.

If you took out all the people at the top who are engaged in global hegemonic rule, it would simply be a matter of time before another group stepped in to seek the same ambition. Therefore, it isn't the individual people or groups that are the problem. It is actually the conditions upon which those people have been accustomed and indoctrinated by. Of course, many argue against this view with the escapist notion that it is "human nature" that causes this competition and need for dominance. This is unsupported by the facts. In reality, we are nearly clean slates when we are born and it is our environment that shapes who we are and how we behave.

Therefore, in order for TRUE change to occur, we must spend less time battling the products of this sick social structure and more time trying to change the root causes. As difficult and daunting as it may be to think this way, it is the only way our world will change for the better.

We can continue to stomp on the ants coming out from under the refrigerator, but until we remove the spoiled food behind it, they are just going to keep coming.

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
www.thevenusproject.com

 

[zz1000zz]

I will admit I do not know much about the Zeitgeist Movement. I never bothered to learn much because each new thing I learned was another reason not to support it.

The movies made by the movement are my primary source of information about it. The movies were extremely dishonest, and as such, I have never had any reason to learn more about the movement.

Every one of these "truth" movies and movements I have seen has been full of nonsense. Honestly, how is the Zeitgeist Movement anything other than naturalistic mysticism shrouded in fancy terminology?

Edit: I went ahead and looked at the website for this movement. Having read their FAQ, I have decided the Zeitgeist Movement is naive and devoid of any intellectual value. The conclusions of the movement are entirely based upon faulty assumptions or logical fallacies.  

[Angel of the End]

Honestly, what is corruption, chaos? It is a mixture, a beauty, and a fact of life. I personally like the theology, however, I don't really agree with it. I'm libertarian (not just politics), I like diversity, different cultures and religions, small governments here and there, different laws, and different ethics. As horrible as war is, it is much much better than everyone agreeing on what may be a false truth: the majority a majority of the time can be very, very wrong... it is harmful, if anything, for people to lose the ability of rebellion, because it is a continueing process of improvement: create by destroying. God uses every bad thing for a better good, I do firmly believe this. Be it the holocause, soviet union, the cross, or anything else... surely in this life, both nothing and everything all in one are for nothing. -shurgs- That's just what I personally think.
If we all were to agree on something such as what that movement is aiming for, I am dead sure we would all be wrong.  

[Spooky Wasabi Princess]

Oh well.  

[the_underworks]

Um... good power hungry ideas?

Please don't hurt me.  

[zz1000zz]

spooky_sez

Oh well.

How can you expect anyone to agree with a movement which claims there was a conspiracy behind the terrorist attacks of September 11th?

That pretty much kills any chance the movement has of attracting rational people.  

[Spooky Wasabi Princess]

zz1000zz

spooky_sez

Oh well.

How can you expect anyone to agree with a movement which claims there was a conspiracy behind the terrorist attacks of September 11th?

That pretty much kills any chance the movement has of attracting rational people.

Don't listen to me, look this stuff up for yourself. Have a look at these and see what you think -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOxyyRTF0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4&NR=1  

[zz1000zz]

spooky_sez

zz1000zz

spooky_sez

Oh well.

How can you expect anyone to agree with a movement which claims there was a conspiracy behind the terrorist attacks of September 11th?

That pretty much kills any chance the movement has of attracting rational people.

Don't listen to me, look this stuff up for yourself. Have a look at these and see what you think -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOxyyRTF0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4&NR=1

I only looked at the first video, but it was obviously wrong. The person interviewed claims thermite was used. The cuts supposedly made by the thermite were horizontal cuts.

It is impossible for that to happen. Thermite burns erratically, meaning it would not be able to make the cuts on its own. This means one would have to assume a device was used to allow the thermite to make the cuts, but no such device exists. Indeed, no such device has even been thought up.

I am sure there are other problems with that video, and I suspect hte other videos are just as wrong. However, I am not going to watch all the videos when the first one makes obviously incorrect claims.  

[Spooky Wasabi Princess]

zz1000zz

spooky_sez

zz1000zz

spooky_sez

Oh well.

How can you expect anyone to agree with a movement which claims there was a conspiracy behind the terrorist attacks of September 11th?

That pretty much kills any chance the movement has of attracting rational people.

Don't listen to me, look this stuff up for yourself. Have a look at these and see what you think -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOxyyRTF0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4&NR=1

I only looked at the first video, but it was obviously wrong. The person interviewed claims thermite was used. The cuts supposedly made by the thermite were horizontal cuts.

It is impossible for that to happen. Thermite burns erratically, meaning it would not be able to make the cuts on its own. This means one would have to assume a device was used to allow the thermite to make the cuts, but no such device exists. Indeed, no such device has even been thought up.

I am sure there are other problems with that video, and I suspect hte other videos are just as wrong. However, I am not going to watch all the videos when the first one makes obviously incorrect claims.

If you won't even look into it then I can't argue this with you.  

[Necrodancer Ghost]

zz1000zz

How can you expect anyone to agree with a movement which claims there was a conspiracy behind the terrorist attacks of September 11th?

That pretty much kills any chance the movement has of attracting rational people.

In the epic words of Bill Maher:
"Crazy people who still think the government brought down the Twin Towers in a controlled explosion have to stop pretending that I'm the one who's being naïve. How big a lunatic do you have to be to watch two giant airliners packed with jet fuel slam into buildings on live TV, igniting a massive inferno that burned for two hours, and then think, 'well, if you believe that was the cause...' "

 

[zz1000zz]

spooky_sez

zz1000zz

spooky_sez

zz1000zz

spooky_sez

Oh well.

How can you expect anyone to agree with a movement which claims there was a conspiracy behind the terrorist attacks of September 11th?

That pretty much kills any chance the movement has of attracting rational people.

Don't listen to me, look this stuff up for yourself. Have a look at these and see what you think -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOxyyRTF0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4&NR=1

I only looked at the first video, but it was obviously wrong. The person interviewed claims thermite was used. The cuts supposedly made by the thermite were horizontal cuts.

It is impossible for that to happen. Thermite burns erratically, meaning it would not be able to make the cuts on its own. This means one would have to assume a device was used to allow the thermite to make the cuts, but no such device exists. Indeed, no such device has even been thought up.

I am sure there are other problems with that video, and I suspect hte other videos are just as wrong. However, I am not going to watch all the videos when the first one makes obviously incorrect claims.

If you won't even look into it then I can't argue this with you.

This makes no sense. I looked into what you provided. I found it was incorrect. I then explained how it was incorrect.

If I am wrong, explain how I am wrong. Don't ignore what I say while claiming I am the one ignoring things.  

[Tainted Deity]

It's probably best to leave this at "Oh dear"  

[Necrodancer Ghost]

Tainted Deity

It's probably best to leave this at "Oh dear"

I'd have left it at "Oh."

 

[MediaclCunt]

Oops, this post is all out of place because I do not read announcements/follow directions/have the capacity notice when something is obviously wrong with all of gaia's posting.

This post is to be deleted when everything is back to normal.