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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:57 am
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Horrified Survivor Dpms. Nothing magical, but nothing bad at all. Definitely go with flattop. You can mount a carry handle to that if you ever feel the need, but you can't take a fixed one off. Cheaper, too. Rock river is incredible, no bullshit, and priced well, but those cocksuckers are hard to find when you want one, in my experience. Thing is, though, if he wants a quad rail, it's going to be significantly more expensive to choose DPMS. Also, good iron sights cost 50-300 dollars, and their flattop models don't come with iron sights. (For the most part. Some of their really expensive models come with BUIS.)
RRA also sells some pretty cheap stuff. Like their complete rifle kits- a civilian can order one for $675, and then buy a stripped lower receiver from a dealer for maybe $125-250.
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:53 am
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:31 pm
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Shrantic Horrified Survivor Dpms. Nothing magical, but nothing bad at all. Definitely go with flattop. You can mount a carry handle to that if you ever feel the need, but you can't take a fixed one off. Cheaper, too. Rock river is incredible, no bullshit, and priced well, but those cocksuckers are hard to find when you want one, in my experience. Thing is, though, if he wants a quad rail, it's going to be significantly more expensive to choose DPMS. Also, good iron sights cost 50-300 dollars, and their flattop models don't come with iron sights. (For the most part. Some of their really expensive models come with BUIS.) RRA also sells some pretty cheap stuff. Like their complete rifle kits- a civilian can order one for $675, and then buy a stripped lower receiver from a dealer for maybe $125-250. I didn't like any of the stock rock river rails, so... I was going to replace It anyway...
Anyway. Carry handle and fixed front makes a decent iron setup. And you can slap an aimpoint/whatever on the rear with the Front sight there just fine.
Complete kits only really work if you're as insane as a black rifle guy as I am. They are cheaper, but you're forgetting the initial outlay for tools and all that. So unless you're going to get several ARs and put a good bit of work into each, not as valuable or as good an idea.
Also consider buying used. Like cars, 30% value drop as soon as they're off the "lot". Great Sputhern Knife and Gun Show is great for that.
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:37 pm
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Horrified Survivor Shrantic Horrified Survivor Dpms. Nothing magical, but nothing bad at all. Definitely go with flattop. You can mount a carry handle to that if you ever feel the need, but you can't take a fixed one off. Cheaper, too. Rock river is incredible, no bullshit, and priced well, but those cocksuckers are hard to find when you want one, in my experience. Thing is, though, if he wants a quad rail, it's going to be significantly more expensive to choose DPMS. Also, good iron sights cost 50-300 dollars, and their flattop models don't come with iron sights. (For the most part. Some of their really expensive models come with BUIS.) RRA also sells some pretty cheap stuff. Like their complete rifle kits- a civilian can order one for $675, and then buy a stripped lower receiver from a dealer for maybe $125-250. I didn't like any of the stock rock river rails, so... I was going to replace It anyway... Anyway. Carry handle and fixed front makes a decent iron setup. And you can slap an aimpoint/whatever on the rear with the Front sight there just fine. Complete kits only really work if you're as insane as a black rifle guy as I am. They are cheaper, but you're forgetting the initial outlay for tools and all that. So unless you're going to get several ARs and put a good bit of work into each, not as valuable or as good an idea. Also consider buying used. Like cars, 30% value drop as soon as they're off the "lot". Great Sputhern Knife and Gun Show is great for that. Don't forget the hours/days of extra work to put together even just the lower, as well as the frustration. I would pay a premium to get a complete lower and put an upper on it, though maybe not a premium over the total cost of that for a whole rifle (since it's just two pins away from being a complete rifle, not tons of fitting and tooling)
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:33 pm
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uryu ishida Horrified Survivor Shrantic Horrified Survivor Dpms. Nothing magical, but nothing bad at all. Definitely go with flattop. You can mount a carry handle to that if you ever feel the need, but you can't take a fixed one off. Cheaper, too. Rock river is incredible, no bullshit, and priced well, but those cocksuckers are hard to find when you want one, in my experience. Thing is, though, if he wants a quad rail, it's going to be significantly more expensive to choose DPMS. Also, good iron sights cost 50-300 dollars, and their flattop models don't come with iron sights. (For the most part. Some of their really expensive models come with BUIS.) RRA also sells some pretty cheap stuff. Like their complete rifle kits- a civilian can order one for $675, and then buy a stripped lower receiver from a dealer for maybe $125-250. I didn't like any of the stock rock river rails, so... I was going to replace It anyway... Anyway. Carry handle and fixed front makes a decent iron setup. And you can slap an aimpoint/whatever on the rear with the Front sight there just fine. Complete kits only really work if you're as insane as a black rifle guy as I am. They are cheaper, but you're forgetting the initial outlay for tools and all that. So unless you're going to get several ARs and put a good bit of work into each, not as valuable or as good an idea. Also consider buying used. Like cars, 30% value drop as soon as they're off the "lot". Great Sputhern Knife and Gun Show is great for that. Don't forget the hours/days of extra work to put together even just the lower, as well as the frustration. I would pay a premium to get a complete lower and put an upper on it, though maybe not a premium over the total cost of that for a whole rifle (since it's just two pins away from being a complete rifle, not tons of fitting and tooling) I put together my own lower. Took about an hour, and the only reason it took that long was because the trigger didn't fit through the hole in the receiver and I was being taught how to do it step-by-step... the only part I don't feel I could easily re-do if I had to is the trigger group. I don't remember how to do that bit.
What about a Saiga? The first hit I saw on Gunbroker was about $400.
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:18 pm
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:21 pm
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Saigas are cool enough. They're nothing spectacular at all. My dad has a 39mm one, likes it as does my brother. If, like stoic said, you don't mind shelling out to get some mags and using shitty soviet irons, they're good. They're economy, definitely. Like a mini-14 should be.
Armas, the upper can be a huge pain. Need a quality reciever block and bench vise, strap wrench, barrel nut wrench, and some perishable materials like moly grease, which is sold under a different name but I don't recall it now. And it's a hell of a lot easier to ******** up. I'm sure you heard how I installed my gas block out of index... Now, I still enjoyed it. You may. Or you may kill it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:09 pm
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Horrified Survivor Saigas are cool enough. They're nothing spectacular at all. My dad has a 39mm one, likes it as does my brother. If, like stoic said, you don't mind shelling out to get some mags and using shitty soviet irons, they're good. They're economy, definitely. Like a mini-14 should be. Armas, the upper can be a huge pain. Need a quality reciever block and bench vise, strap wrench, barrel nut wrench, and some perishable materials like moly grease, which is sold under a different name but I don't recall it now. And it's a hell of a lot easier to ******** up. I'm sure you heard how I installed my gas block out of index... Now, I still enjoyed it. You may. Or you may kill it. This is why I bought a complete upper. But if you know what you're doing and nothing goes wrong, you can have the lower done in what, fifteen minutes? That part that takes the longest is packing the buffer spring with grease, and that's just because you actually have to take more than thirty seconds to get the grease in there and spread around.
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:14 pm
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:10 am
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