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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:51 am


Garek Maxwell and I had an interesting conversation in a pm that we thought would make a good thread topic here.

Put simply, how do you define being human. Is it a certain level of intelligence? Is it a method of thinking? Or is it something purely physical?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:49 am


purely existing

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:06 am


Uhhh, can you elaborate Kitsune?

Animals exist too, which would make them humans under that definition. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:13 pm


It's neither intelligence or existing, it's a strain of thought and blood that flows through the veins within' the essence of the soul.

In other words if you think like a human or if looking at it in a spiritual way have that very blood/essence then your human.

Else wise your another species.

Though I have noticed people are trying to make other species into humans.....I still haven't forgiven that dentist for removing the Fangs I had been born with. =_=

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:09 am


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I wouldn't know what else to compare it to.. but.. bah. Unwilling to say, but, religion.. If not thinking it's religion-esque, or an unfamiliar inelaborate definition of the truth..

'If you have a certain amount of people believing it, it might as well be the truth'.

There's some 'qualifications' or maybe even 'requirements' to be considered Human, that has been implemented to the vast society of.. society and I'm sure it's widely accepted mainly because of all the similarities, individuals, it easily describes, but I'm far from precocious or even insightful to know too much of the matter.. Or to even form a comfortable opinion. :<


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 6:23 am


To be considered human, it's biological.
Sure, there's the "higher-thinking", but other animals have been known to think as well as young humans, so they would count too under that: parrots, some dogs, apes.
Unless we're saying young human children aren't humans.

Apes are close to being human, or humans are close to being apes, but there is still a DNA sequence difference.

To Twisted:
When I was younger, I thought I was a collie, but that didn't make me one.
I even chased my friend around her kitchen and let her pet me afterwards on her couch.
Went on for years.
Didn't change the fact that I'm biologically human.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:01 am


Shonryu
I wouldn't know what else to compare it to.. but.. bah. Unwilling to say, but, religion.. If not thinking it's religion-esque, or an unfamiliar inelaborate definition of the truth..

'If you have a certain amount of people believing it, it might as well be the truth'.

There's some 'qualifications' or maybe even 'requirements' to be considered Human, that has been implemented to the vast society of.. society and I'm sure it's widely accepted mainly because of all the similarities, individuals, it easily describes, but I'm far from precocious or even insightful to know too much of the matter.. Or to even form a comfortable opinion. :<


While not exactly what you were talking about, I do believe many scientists agree that culture is one of the few things that separate us from animals. Some go as far as saying it circumvents evolution, just as our technology has (a physically weak man could feed his entire family with his new tractor invention while the physically strong man may not be able to sustain himself with his job replaced by a machine). I do not know of any animals that exhibit culture...yet. If more apes are taught sign language, they could develop a culture. Now that would be interesting.


DarkWolfLove

When I was younger, I thought I was a collie, but that didn't make me one.
I even chased my friend around her kitchen and let her pet me afterwards on her couch.
Went on for years.
Didn't change the fact that I'm biologically human.


Lol, I did similar! I still don't know what was going through my head all those years. blaugh
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:03 am


Garek Maxwell

DarkWolfLove

When I was younger, I thought I was a collie, but that didn't make me one.
I even chased my friend around her kitchen and let her pet me afterwards on her couch.
Went on for years.
Didn't change the fact that I'm biologically human.


Lol, I did similar! I still don't know what was going through my head all those years. blaugh

It was fun though.
:"3

Would totally do it over again~

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:52 pm


Being a human is... using my superior intelligence to take advantage of the other dumb animals cool
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:13 am


Scientifically the only reason we are separated from animals is that we have thumbs and can think on a higher level of intelligence, other than that we are technically animals lol 3nodding

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:59 am


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Scientifically the only reason we are separated from animals is that we have thumbs and can think on a higher level of intelligence, other than that we are technically animals lol 3nodding
so can chimps and gorillas they got thumbs too.

One cannot deny that the separation from animals and man (tho i prefer to say what distinguishes the human species from other animals) especially intelligent creatures like the great apes, takes both the physical biological differences and the ellevated capacity in thought.

However it is not just that we are smarter but that what we use our smarts to think about. Such as the developement/invention of powerful concepts such as truth, good, love, self/ego, collective, and faith. The two factors, the physical biological, and the existential/developmental intelligences are absolutely inseperable in defining what makes humanbeings human.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:31 am


I define being human as being a Homo sapien. It is impossible for something else to be a human because that is what humans have defined it as.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:39 pm


Jungle Boots
However it is not just that we are smarter but that what we use our smarts to think about. Such as the development/invention of powerful concepts such as truth, good, love, self/ego, collective, and faith. The two factors, the physical biological, and the existential/developmental intelligences are absolutely inseparable in defining what makes human beings human.


I've read something somewhere (or maybe it was on PBS) about this. From what I can remember, one of the big defining features that it seems no other creature has is the ability to reflect upon their self and on others and a "generalized other"..which is just a fancy way of saying "us versus them", or "But what would they think of me if I did that?!"

I'm pretty sure on a PBS special I saw an interview with a scientist who believes that this also gave birth to our experience of paranoia/suspicion (I can't remember his exact words) and religion. (I want to take a moment to emphasize that he said paranoia/suspicion was a good thing for survival and that religion was merely a side effect. He in no way suggested it was a negative thing or that it's invention invalidates any religion. For those that think he may be, consider that this is growing aware of the spiritual if you wish.) It went into more depth than this, but it was really cool!

I think symbol recognition and development used to be a property thought to be unique to humans, but neanderthals and apes have been shown to have those abilities. Same for tool creation and use. Though one thing no other animal has shown is the ability to form tools to make better tools and continue to develop more specialized and complex tools...in other words, technology. razz
PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:40 am


Garek Maxwell

I think symbol recognition and development used to be a property thought to be unique to humans, but neanderthals and apes have been shown to have those abilities. Same for tool creation and use. Though one thing no other animal has shown is the ability to form tools to make better tools and continue to develop more specialized and complex tools...in other words, technology. razz


Ohhhhhh symbol recognition is enormously important too. i think that comes down in a lot of instances to the developement/invention of abstract concepts ands significances. In the study semiotics (the study of symbology and significant imagery) the a symbol is broken into two parts, the sign; the image itself; the word cute for instance the written or spoken word itself is the sign. the second part is the signifier; what the idea that image or sign represents; in the word cute the signifier is the definition of the word, the abstract/intuitive idea of what cute means.

then the signifier is broken into two parts, the meaning as denotative; meaning directly what it means. and connotative; what subjective, or relative influences. In the case of cute, you have the dictionary deffinition of cute as the denotative meaning, and you have perhapse the idea of a kitten or a pretty girl as the connotative meaning.

anyway i digress, I feel that while symbol recognition is a development of property thought, (tho perhaps i dont know what you mean by that other than the concept of property ownership in ego) i feel that symbol recognition involves more an ability to categorize, organize and communicate a certain reality to the world around the Human. (tho symbol recognition is not exclusively a human experience, Chimps (even dogs) symbolize emotion (which is very a ellevated intelligence really) through body language gestures and calls. however vollentary or involentary those languages are to their consiousness the symbols are.)

also just to clarify Neanderthals are technically human beings, scientifically and biologically. Neanderthals scientific name is Homo Sapien Neanderthalensis, While modern man is Homo Sapien Sapien. The neanderthal and the modern man are actually two sub species of the same species. Like donkeys and horses, only perhapse Neanderthal man and Modern man are even more closely related than donkeys are to horses in that we might have even been able to reproduce between eachother and those children would not be sterile, unlike a mule.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:00 pm


Jungle Boots
anyway I digress, I feel that while symbol recognition is a development of property thought, (tho perhaps I don't know what you mean by that other than the concept of property ownership in ego) i feel that symbol recognition involves more an ability to categorize, organize and communicate a certain reality to the world around the Human. (tho symbol recognition is not exclusively a human experience, Chimps (even dogs) symbolize emotion (which is very a elevated intelligence really) through body language gestures and calls. however voluntary or involuntary those languages are to their consciousness the symbols are.)

also just to clarify Neanderthals are technically human beings, scientifically and biologically. Neanderthals scientific name is Homo Sapien Neanderthalensis, While modern man is Homo Sapien Sapien. The neanderthal and the modern man are actually two sub species of the same species. Like donkeys and horses, only perhaps Neanderthal man and Modern man are even more closely related than donkeys are to horses in that we might have even been able to reproduce between each other and those children would not be sterile, unlike a mule.


I didn't know what to say about all that information on symbol recognition. I just know humans are the only species out there that attach very complex meanings to symbols while for animals it only means a few simple things max. sweatdrop

As for Neanderthals, well, I meant that they aren't humans but neanderthals. Close, but not quite us. sweatdrop

I did read about a finding suggesting we interbred with neanderthals long ago before they died out. It's not really surprising, but I have no idea what this means for the human species. I mean, I don't know what impact this would have had on our physique and intellect or just plain physical appearance. ...It would explain the vikings though. xp
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