Buffer tubes

[Valkyrie Hatter]

Just a thought but buffer tubes are essentially extentions of return springs that reduce recoil dramatically don't particularly interfere with the overall length of a rifle if you build the stock around it right?

I was thinking since the FAL SA58 already can use a M4 stock why not just add a buffer tube onto the platform to reduce the recoil?  

[Fresnel]

The entire design of the M16 is built around the buffer tube. To just throw a buffer tube into an existing design would be a massive ********. The bolt carrier of an AR retracts almost completely into the stock during recoil. A smaller bolt like you'd find in almost every other rifle would get lost in there and be extremely prone to jamming.  

[Recon_Ninja_985]

the entire length of travel of the bolt carrier of the FAL takes place within the receiver it already has, to make it travel twice that distance would throw the intended functionality of the original design out of whack.
there would have to be tons of trial and error and changes in the spring length/strength, the size/weight of the bolt carrier or buffer if you use one for it, etc.


better to make a whole new gun designed around the concept.
or use an AR10  

[Whence it Flows]

Could do it, but not the standard AR-15 buffer. More like the SAW buffer.  

[Valkyrie Hatter]

Pripyat Dawn

Could do it, but not the standard AR-15 buffer. More like the SAW buffer.

Minimis have buffers?

Got a pic?  

[Whence it Flows]

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Could do it, but not the standard AR-15 buffer. More like the SAW buffer.

Minimis have buffers?

Got a pic?

Nope, but the M249 SAW PIP kit does. The standard Minimi has a steel tube stock. The full-sized plastic one, and possibly the M4-style one do, though, not sure on the folding Para one.

I don't. It's a little steel rod with a spring behind it that the bolt slams into.  

[Valkyrie Hatter]

Recon_Ninja_985

the entire length of travel of the bolt carrier of the FAL takes place within the receiver it already has, to make it travel twice that distance would throw the intended functionality of the original design out of whack.
there would have to be tons of trial and error and changes in the spring length/strength, the size/weight of the bolt carrier or buffer if you use one for it, etc.


better to make a whole new gun designed around the concept.
or use an AR10

And just lengthening the return spring does nothing. So doing this lenghtening to a FAL wouldn't do much but doing it to something like a G36 which has an internally housed bolt carrier but it's smaller than an M16s since the G36 did away with a buffer to begin with.

The G36 isn't interesting you just end up with a T-91 copy.  

[Valkyrie Hatter]

Pripyat Dawn

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Could do it, but not the standard AR-15 buffer. More like the SAW buffer.

Minimis have buffers?

Got a pic?

Nope, but the M249 SAW PIP kit does. The standard Minimi has a steel tube stock. The full-sized plastic one, and possibly the M4-style one do, though, not sure on the folding Para one.

I don't. It's a little steel rod with a spring behind it that the bolt slams into.

Does this 'buffer' reduce recoil?  

[Whence it Flows]

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Could do it, but not the standard AR-15 buffer. More like the SAW buffer.

Minimis have buffers?

Got a pic?

Nope, but the M249 SAW PIP kit does. The standard Minimi has a steel tube stock. The full-sized plastic one, and possibly the M4-style one do, though, not sure on the folding Para one.

I don't. It's a little steel rod with a spring behind it that the bolt slams into.

Does this 'buffer' reduce recoil?

It's the only thing that it does.  

[Valkyrie Hatter]

Pripyat Dawn

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Could do it, but not the standard AR-15 buffer. More like the SAW buffer.

Minimis have buffers?

Got a pic?

Nope, but the M249 SAW PIP kit does. The standard Minimi has a steel tube stock. The full-sized plastic one, and possibly the M4-style one do, though, not sure on the folding Para one.

I don't. It's a little steel rod with a spring behind it that the bolt slams into.

Does this 'buffer' reduce recoil?

It's the only thing that it does.

Maybe but in an AR it's the only thing that pushes the bolt back forward so I'm just being sure.

Since the tube is just an accessory on the SAW which isn't required I'm sure the same thing can be applied to a FAL.  

[Whence it Flows]

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Could do it, but not the standard AR-15 buffer. More like the SAW buffer.

Minimis have buffers?

Got a pic?

Nope, but the M249 SAW PIP kit does. The standard Minimi has a steel tube stock. The full-sized plastic one, and possibly the M4-style one do, though, not sure on the folding Para one.

I don't. It's a little steel rod with a spring behind it that the bolt slams into.

Does this 'buffer' reduce recoil?

It's the only thing that it does.

Maybe but in an AR it's the only thing that pushes the bolt back forward so I'm just being sure.

Since the tube is just an accessory on the SAW which isn't required I'm sure the same thing can be applied to a FAL.

Probably. But since it's less about making the recoil less, and more about making it feel like less, which means spreading it out over time, mostly, it's at it's most effective when you're on full automatic. The biggest thing the FAL needs is to have less mass slamming around with the bolt  

[Valkyrie Hatter]

Pripyat Dawn

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Valkyrie Hatter

Pripyat Dawn

Nope, but the M249 SAW PIP kit does. The standard Minimi has a steel tube stock. The full-sized plastic one, and possibly the M4-style one do, though, not sure on the folding Para one.

I don't. It's a little steel rod with a spring behind it that the bolt slams into.

Does this 'buffer' reduce recoil?

It's the only thing that it does.

Maybe but in an AR it's the only thing that pushes the bolt back forward so I'm just being sure.

Since the tube is just an accessory on the SAW which isn't required I'm sure the same thing can be applied to a FAL.

Probably. But since it's less about making the recoil less, and more about making it feel like less, which means spreading it out over time, mostly, it's at it's most effective when you're on full automatic. The biggest thing the FAL needs is to have less mass slamming around with the bolt

I don't think you could lighten much of anything besides the barrel length and stock on a battle rifle.  

[Fresnel]

Valkyrie Hatter

Recon_Ninja_985

the entire length of travel of the bolt carrier of the FAL takes place within the receiver it already has, to make it travel twice that distance would throw the intended functionality of the original design out of whack.
there would have to be tons of trial and error and changes in the spring length/strength, the size/weight of the bolt carrier or buffer if you use one for it, etc.


better to make a whole new gun designed around the concept.
or use an AR10

And just lengthening the return spring does nothing. So doing this lenghtening to a FAL wouldn't do much but doing it to something like a G36 which has an internally housed bolt carrier but it's smaller than an M16s since the G36 did away with a buffer to begin with.

The G36 isn't interesting you just end up with a T-91 copy.

Maybe then the G36 would have a decent stock on it.  

[Valkyrie Hatter]

Fresnel

Valkyrie Hatter

Recon_Ninja_985

the entire length of travel of the bolt carrier of the FAL takes place within the receiver it already has, to make it travel twice that distance would throw the intended functionality of the original design out of whack.
there would have to be tons of trial and error and changes in the spring length/strength, the size/weight of the bolt carrier or buffer if you use one for it, etc.


better to make a whole new gun designed around the concept.
or use an AR10

And just lengthening the return spring does nothing. So doing this lenghtening to a FAL wouldn't do much but doing it to something like a G36 which has an internally housed bolt carrier but it's smaller than an M16s since the G36 did away with a buffer to begin with.

The G36 isn't interesting you just end up with a T-91 copy.

Maybe then the G36 would have a decent stock on it.

I'd just use M4 stock kit they use on SA58s but if you insist on going the expensive route...