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Lady Detarra

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:32 am
I was just on comcast.net and this is one of the news headlines.



Montreal Gunman Wrote of Death, Hatred
By PHIL COUVRETTE, Associated Press Writer


MONTREAL - A man with a black trench coat whose shooting rampage in a Montreal college killed one person and wounded 19 others before he was slain by police said on a blog in his name that he liked to play a role-playing Internet game about the Columbine shootings.

The gunman who opened fire at Dawson College on Wednesday was Kimveer Gill, 25, of Laval, near Montreal, a police official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity because authorities were not ready to announce it publicly yet. He also said police had searched Gill's home.

Six shooting victims remained in critical condition, including two in extremely critical condition.

A woman who answered the phone at the Gill's home and said he was her son described him as "a good man."

"Just ask anybody. Ask the neighbors. He was a good son," the woman told The Associated Press. She refused to give her name.

The woman added that police took his computer. "I don't know what they found in the computer. They took everything," she said.

Quebec provincial police Lt. Francois Dore said authorities were waiting for autopsy results before officially identifying the killer, but "everything leads us to believe that it is, in fact, this Mr. Gill."

In postings on a Web site called VampireFreaks.com, blogs in Gill's name show more than 50 photos depicting the young man in various poses holding a rifle and donning a black trench coat and combat boots.

One photo has a tombstone with his name printed on it and the epitaph: "Lived fast died young. Left a mangled corpse."

The last of six journal entries Wednesday was posted at 10:41 a.m, about two hours before the gunmen was shot to death at Dawson.

He said on the site that he was drinking whiskey in the morning and described his mood the night before as "crazy" and "postal."

He said on the site that he liked to play "Super Columbine Massacre," an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two of its students that left 13 people dead.

"His name is Trench. you will come to know him as the Angel of Death," he wrote on his vampirefreaks.com profile. "He is not a people person. He has met a handful of people in his life who are decent. But he finds the vast majority to be worthless, no good, conniving, betraying, lying, deceptive."

He wrote that he hates jocks, preppies, country music and hip-hop.

"Work sucks ... school sucks ... life sucks ... what else can I say? ... Life is a video game you've got to die sometime," he added.

Below a picture of Gill aiming the barrel of a gun at the camera there's the inscription: "I think I have an obsession with guns ... muahahaha."

"Anger and hatred simmers within me," said another caption below a picture of Gill grimacing.

He wrote that he is 6-foot-1, was born in Montreal and is of Indian heritage. He said his weakness is laziness and that he fears nothing. Responding to the question, "How do you want to die?" Gill replied "like Romeo and Juliet _ or in a hail of gunfire."

Gill wore a black trench coat during the shooting and opened fire in the cafeteria just as Columbine students Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris did in 1999. Gill also maintained an online blog, similar to Klebold and Harris, devoted to Goth culture, heavy metal music such as Marilyn Manson, guns and journal entries expressing hatred against authority figures and "society."

A neighbor who lives across the street from Gill said he was a loner.

"There were never any friends," Louise Leykauf said. "He kept to himself. He always wore dark clothing."

Another neighbor, Mariola Trutschnigg, said she noticed a changed in appearance in recent months when he "started wearing a mohawk and black clothes."

A 23-year-old man and a 12-year-old girl accused in a triple murder in Medicine Hat, Alberta, earlier this year also had profiles on vampirefreaks.com.

Montreal Police Chief Yvan Delorme said the lessons learned from other mass shootings had taught police to try to stop such assaults as quickly as possible.

"Before our technique was to establish a perimeter around the place and wait for the SWAT team. Now the first police officers go right inside. The way they acted saved lives," he said.

Witnesses said Gill started shooting outside the college, then entered the second-floor cafeteria and opened fire without uttering a word. At times, he hid behind vending machines before emerging to take aim _ at one point at a teenager who tried to photograph him with his cell phone.

Police dismissed suggestions that terrorism played a role in the lunch-hour attack.

The gunman opened fire haphazardly at no target in particular, until he saw the police and took aim at them, Delorme said.

Police hid behind a wall as they exchanged fire with the gunman, whose back was against a vending machine, said student Andrea Barone, who was in the cafeteria. He said the officers proceeded cautiously because many students were trapped around the assailant, who yelled "Get back! Get back!" every time an officer tried to move closer.

Eventually, Barone said, the gunman went down in a hail of gunfire.

Delorme said some officers were at the school on an unrelated matter when the shooting began. He said reinforcements were sent to the scene.

Scores of students fled into the streets when the shooting broke out. Some had clothes stained with blood; others cried and clung to each other. Two nearby shopping centers and a daycare center also were evacuated and subway service was disrupted.

"I was terrified. The guy was shooting at people randomly. He didn't care, he was just shooting at everybody," said student Devansh Smri Vastava. "There were cops firing. It was so crazy."

The gunman had a rapid-fire rifle and two other weapons, police said, without elaborating.

Although they initially suggested the gunman had killed himself, Delorme said later that "based on current information, the suspect was killed by police."

"Today we have witnessed a cowardly and senseless act of violence unfold at Montreal's Dawson College," Prime Minister Stephen Harper said. "Our primary concern right now is to ensure the safety and recovery of all those who were injured during this tragedy."

The school was closed until Monday.

Canada's worst mass shooting took place in Montreal when gunman Marc Lepine, 25, killed 14 women at the Ecole Polytechnic on Dec. 6, 1989, before shooting himself.

That shooting spurred efforts for new gun laws achieved mainly as the results of efforts by survivors and relatives of Lepine's victims.

Dawson, with about 10,000 students, was the first English-language institution in Quebec's network of university preparatory colleges when it was founded in 1969.  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:15 am
that is just wrong....

i mean in the sense that another gothic person is being blamed for something. i am goth (all though i had no money to get me clothes now) and i go to college and mind my own busniess. its not fair that gothic people are blamed for stupid things.

This is a very tragic situation and my thoughts and heart goes out to the families involved.  

anastazia eckhart


VividGreenDawn

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:36 am
Because of these instances they will judge us as a community. The thing that pisses me off the most is that when a Goth does something, they blame us all, and when a regular person does something, they simply wonder why "such a nice guy" could snap.

I am simpathetic for those involved and his family, as well as him.

Good luck to those of us who go to school, they will most likely outlaw trench coats now, as well as try to put you all in counseling.  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:49 am
VividGreenDawn
Because of these instances they will judge us as a community. The thing that pisses me off the most is that when a Goth does something, they blame us all, and when a regular person does something, they simply wonder why "such a nice guy" could snap.

I am simpathetic for those involved and his family, as well as him.

Good luck to those of us who go to school, they will most likely outlaw trench coats now, as well as try to put you all in counseling.


Back when columbine happened, i wasnt allowed to wear my leather coat (goes to the floor). It got bad for goths in CO (which is where i live) after that. And blaming things on goths when the person who commited the crime isnt even goth makes everyone hate/fear us even more. I'm sick of it! Bleh I could rant anout that forever.  

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:55 am
I think that this is crap. They are citing evidence from online blogs which are specifically created to allow a person to vent his feelings and thoughts with anonymity. I myself have said many similar things on online blogs and forums. I think that this steryotyping of the depressed and manic goth going around shooting people is overused in popular culture. In reality most people who decide for some reason or another to kill another are fairly normal people in most aspects of their lives. The most diabolical of killers and the ultimately more disturbed individuals are people like Jeffrey Dommer, pepople we would not suspect.  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:09 pm
Jet, owner of VampireFreaks.com
so yes there's been a lot of press lately regarding a shooting in montreal, where the person involved was a member of this site.
i offer my condolences to the victims and their families, it really is a tragic event. however we do not condone or influence this type of behavior in any way. just because someone goes around shooting people and happens to be a member of vampirefreaks, doesn't mean that this website has influenced him to do such a horrible thing. the goth scene is a very friendly, nurturing, non-violent community and we are very supportive of our users and do not condone any illegal activities. we have an excellent team of administrators who moderate the site, and a useful system which allows all users to report illegal and suspicious activity. thank you to all the users who continue to help us moderate the site.
i do think this event is a tragedy, but i feel that this site is wrongly being associated with the shooting. i'm sure this kid also had accounts on various other sites, but the media likes to associate crimes with gothic culture because it makes a better story for them.
so, i just want to ask our members to really try to set a good example to the world, to show that we really are caring, responsible, non-violent people. in fact i believe we are more mature and responsible than other scenes, in that we value intelligence, part of goth culture is thinking for yourself and being more aware of the world, rather than just following the mainstream trends. don't let a few bad seeds ruin our reputation, we are a great community


I think this sums it up really; the media will always ignore the good things about goths and concentrate on our flaws, just like every minority group.  

Perestroyka


Lady Detarra

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:11 pm
the almighty beefcake
I think that this is crap. They are citing evidence from online blogs which are specifically created to allow a person to vent his feelings and thoughts with anonymity. I myself have said many similar things on online blogs and forums. I think that this steryotyping of the depressed and manic goth going around shooting people is overused in popular culture. In reality most people who decide for some reason or another to kill another are fairly normal people in most aspects of their lives. The most diabolical of killers and the ultimately more disturbed individuals are people like Jeffrey Dommer, pepople we would not suspect.


Exactaly! If someone were trying to do something horrible and get away with it do you really think they would dress in a way that gets them lots of attention or try to blend in. Chances are you're innocent little neighbor with the white mini-van is more likely to snap and do something like that than the average goth/subculture person.  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:34 pm
I have been following this story for quite some time today. My ex who works for the Goverment of Canada, had her her boss ask of me and how, more or less, my current view on this situtaion was.

As I realized early on, the press/media seems to be selling this as a "goth/vampire esc" thing.

I really don't have an opinion right now ... I just don't.
 

ieatyourtclol


GilAskan
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:05 pm
*Sigh*

I hate it when non-goths bring negative attention to the goth culture...  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:05 pm
******** hell gonk
Why?
Why the hell does there always have to be some group that a nut job attaches themself onto?  

-Resurrected Writer-
Crew


KoRnfucius

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:55 pm
Yeah, I read the headline in my local newspaper and was ********! Not again..Just when people were starting to treat me better too..well there it all goes. b*****d." Then I went onto VF and saw that they were blaming the site, again, and I was like,"Goddamnit. I give up."  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:01 pm
anastazia eckhart
that is just wrong....

i mean in the sense that another gothic person is being blamed for something. i am goth (all though i had no money to get me clothes now) and i go to college and mind my own busniess. its not fair that gothic people are blamed for stupid things.

This is a very tragic situation and my thoughts and heart goes out to the families involved.


i agree... they are going to start the whole steriotyping/screening thing at my school all over again... all i have to say is ********>  

xdemonicallyxyours13x


.+Melanthios+.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:40 pm
s**t!!! I'm just amazed at how stupidly the media confuses us with violent mansonites (not that all mansonites are violent)...They will never understand!!!
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:30 pm
I was going to start a thread about this, but I see it has already been done. I was just thining about this a moment ago: what if he had been an avid hip-hop fan? Would they dare blame the hip-hop culture? I doubt it, even though it has a much more violent history. Now I'm going to have to be careful about wearing trench coats again, lest some n00bsauce calls the coppers on me. mad  

UraniumMonk


Lady Detarra

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:38 pm
UraniumMonk
I was going to start a thread about this, but I see it has already been done. I was just thining about this a moment ago: what if he had been an avid hip-hop fan? Would they dare blame the hip-hop culture? I doubt it, even though it has a much more violent history. Now I'm going to have to be careful about wearing trench coats again, lest some n00bsauce calls the coppers on me. mad


Voltaire (the musician) actually asked that same question in an interview. And since I still cant figure out how to put youtube videos in here, here is the link to it Voltaire Interview  
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