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The Man who was Thursday

PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:21 pm
I see people saying that commas are for pauses ALL THE TIME 'round here, and nobody ever listens to me when I frantically try to correct them.

This is a grammar guild, so you should know something about grammar, yeah?

The prescriptive grammar you all cherish so much gives less than a s**t about how whatever you say "sounds". Hence, commas are NOT used when there is a "natural pause" in a sentence.

The are used to:
  • surround appositives. This is perhaps the reason why people think that they are used for "natural pauses"--generally, you pause before and after an appositive.
  • separate clauses in
    • compound sentences always.
    • complex sentences if the subordinate clause is first.

  • introduce a sentence with an adverb or adverbial phrase, an interjection, or a vocative.
  • separate elements of a list.
  • introduce a quotiation: "She said, 'I should kill Dan.'"
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:23 pm
From MyWord.info:

A word or phrase that clarifies the previous word or phrase and expands meaning. Created to make a statement more clear. Can be set off with commas, dashes or parentheses.

So, some examples of an appositive would be: My dog, a German shepherd, could potentially be a police dog.

"My computer, which was around during the Mesozoic Era, needs more RAM."

In essence, the comma is there not necessarily to pause, but to connect.  

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The Man who was Thursday

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:40 pm
That's.. pretty much what I was saying.  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:16 pm
I haven't really commented on what the uses for a comma are.
However, I know all that.
Who would use a comma just because of a natural pause? That makes completely no sense.

Can't they also be used for nonessential clauses that come in the middle of other clauses?
Other than that, I can't really think of any other uses for a comma.
 

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:27 pm
Commas... are totally not for pauses.  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:18 pm
Yami no Hitokiri
From MyWord.info:

A word or phrase that clarifies the previous word or phrase and expands meaning. Created to make a statement more clear. Can be set off with commas, dashes or parentheses.

So, some examples of an appositive would be: My dog, a German shepherd, could potentially be a police dog.

"My computer, which was around during the Mesozoic Era, needs more RAM."

In essence, the comma is there not necessarily to pause, but to connect.

Aha, I wrote a story for grade 10 english assignment, and in it I used dashes to expand on a meaning, like said in your first line, and she said it was wrong. Either that or I shouldn't have used them. I can't remember the exact comment. >.>  

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:29 pm
Commas aren't for pauses, but you pause when there is a comma (if reading aloud). I completely agree with all of your other sentiments, however, because of the horrendous misuse of the comma (especially in leetspeak and txt-tlk).

"Commas rule the world!"
-Mr. Burden  
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:42 pm
Commas are overused.  

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:48 pm
I don't really understand what any of you are saying. Could someone explain it too me?  
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:35 pm
When I'm reading a sentence with commas, I usually put a pause there. Nothing major, but a slight stop in the rhythm of the sentence. The same goes for my writing. However, when I want to make a more noticeable pause or break, I use a semicolon; like just now.

To be quite frank, I can see the overuse of commas as a big deal, but overall I think that it pretty much flows for me; which is saying something, as much as I like proper typing. In other words, I don't share the same dislike of comma use as the rest.  

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:00 pm
The reader, not the comma, inserts pauses. Grammar apparently "doesn't give a s**t." But how something sounds is what language is all about. We're very keen on how "s**t" sounds when we read it, either in our minds or aloud. We're sensitive to this "s**t."

Artemis.Dreamseeker
When I'm reading a sentence with commas, I usually put a pause there. Nothing major, but a slight stop in the rhythm of the sentence. The same goes for my writing. However, when I want to make a more noticeable pause or break, I use a semicolon; like just now.

To be quite frank, I can see the overuse of commas as a big deal, but overall I think that it pretty much flows for me; which is saying something, as much as I like proper typing. In other words, I don't share the same dislike of comma use as the rest.


Not to purposefully bash your writing style, but you over-use commas. I like short sentences. You can still write effectively and with detail. You don't need that many commas or semicolons. Just try it. I read On Writing Well by William Zinser and I think it helped.  
PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:05 pm
Artemis.Dreamseeker
When I'm reading a sentence with commas, I usually put a pause there. Nothing major, but a slight stop in the rhythm of the sentence. The same goes for my writing. However, when I want to make a more noticeable pause or break, I use a semicolon; like just now.

To be quite frank, I can see the overuse of commas as a big deal, but overall I think that it pretty much flows for me; which is saying something, as much as I like proper typing. In other words, I don't share the same dislike of comma use as the rest.


You are doing exactly what I said was wrong. Especially the semicolon bit.

If you pause naturally in speech, it does NOT indicate that you should use a comma. Yes, you usually pause when you read a comma, but that does not mean pause = comma.

Commas are PURELY syntax.  

The Man who was Thursday


limp dick

PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:24 am
Syntax?

The only definition I learned for syntax was the job of a designated word. (e.g. predicate nominitive for a noun that is a complement that restates the subject or direct object for a noun that is recieving the action)  
PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:33 am
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Syntax?

The only definition I learned for syntax was the job of a designated word. (e.g. predicate nominitive for a noun that is a complement that restates the subject or direct object for a noun that is recieving the action)


Uh.. nope.

Quote:
a. the study of the rules for the formation of grammatical sentences in a language.
b. the study of the patterns of formation of sentences and phrases from words.
c. the rules or patterns so studied: English syntax.
d. a presentation of these: a syntax of English.
e. an instance of these: the syntax of a sentence.
 

The Man who was Thursday


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:33 pm
Triste
Commas are overused.

Yes, they are, really, overused.
 
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