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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:48 am
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Attempts to define 'goth' have been flying thick and fast lately, and I'd like to remind people that there is no one right answer. There is no one definition of the word goth. It's been used many times, to mean many different things.
The goths were a northern tribe that invaded Rome (and also Spain).
'Gothic' was a term applied to late medieval architecture by bigoted and very ill-informed 'Enlightenment'-era historians, who thought these buildings were created far earlier than they actually were, and also poked fun at them for being 'barbarous.'
The first use of the word to define a subculture was in the late 1700's, when antiquarians started actually appreciating medieval arichitecture. Back then, a 'goth' was someone who enjoyed dark, romantic literature, had a fondness for ruins, and maybe built their house in gothic style.
Toward the Victorian era, architects got more interested in medieval-styled art that looked authentic, not fantastical. A 'goth' became someone with a scholarly interest in the era.
Many sources (Wikipedia included) claim that the modern goth subculture has its roots in punk. Personally, I think those roots go back far earlier than modern music genres. Earlier gothic movements had a huge influence on things like the modern horror genre, the ideas expressed in a lot of goth music, and even the wearing of black. Without those early gothic novels, the subculture as we know it would not exist.
So yes, it's valid to say that a goth is a person who loves goth music. But it's equally valid to apply the term to someone with a generally 'dark' aesthetic, or someone who adores medieval art.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:44 am
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Veruniel Attempts to define 'goth' have been flying thick and fast lately, and I'd like to remind people that there is no one right answer. There is no one definition of the word goth. It's been used many times, to mean many different things. The goths were a northern tribe that invaded Rome (and also Spain). 'Gothic' was a term applied to late medieval architecture by bigoted and very ill-informed 'Enlightenment'-era historians, who thought these buildings were created far earlier than they actually were, and also poked fun at them for being 'barbarous.' The first use of the word to define a subculture was in the late 1700's, when antiquarians started actually appreciating medieval arichitecture. Back then, a 'goth' was someone who enjoyed dark, romantic literature, had a fondness for ruins, and maybe built their house in gothic style. Toward the Victorian era, architects got more interested in medieval-styled art that looked authentic, not fantastical. A 'goth' became someone with a scholarly interest in the era. Many sources (Wikipedia included) claim that the modern goth subculture has its roots in punk. Personally, I think those roots go back far earlier than modern music genres. Earlier gothic movements had a huge influence on things like the modern horror genre, the ideas expressed in a lot of goth music, and even the wearing of black. Without those early gothic novels, the subculture as we know it would not exist. So yes, it's valid to say that a goth is a person who loves goth music. But it's equally valid to apply the term to someone with a generally 'dark' aesthetic, or someone who adores medieval art.
Wow I am shocked eek I knew there were many different meanings to goth, but I did not know that it went that far back. You are someone who did there home work on the topic that interests them; not many people do that thank you for that exclaim From what you have found and posted regarding the word goth has increased my knowledge about it, and thank you for that.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:31 am
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Veruniel Attempts to define 'goth' have been flying thick and fast lately, and I'd like to remind people that there is no one right answer. There is no one definition of the word goth. It's been used many times, to mean many different things. The goths were a northern tribe that invaded Rome (and also Spain). 'Gothic' was a term applied to late medieval architecture by bigoted and very ill-informed 'Enlightenment'-era historians, who thought these buildings were created far earlier than they actually were, and also poked fun at them for being 'barbarous.' The first use of the word to define a subculture was in the late 1700's, when antiquarians started actually appreciating medieval arichitecture. Back then, a 'goth' was someone who enjoyed dark, romantic literature, had a fondness for ruins, and maybe built their house in gothic style. Toward the Victorian era, architects got more interested in medieval-styled art that looked authentic, not fantastical. A 'goth' became someone with a scholarly interest in the era. Many sources (Wikipedia included) claim that the modern goth subculture has its roots in punk. Personally, I think those roots go back far earlier than modern music genres. Earlier gothic movements had a huge influence on things like the modern horror genre, the ideas expressed in a lot of goth music, and even the wearing of black. Without those early gothic novels, the subculture as we know it would not exist. So yes, it's valid to say that a goth is a person who loves goth music. But it's equally valid to apply the term to someone with a generally 'dark' aesthetic, or someone who adores medieval art.
Wow. That's cool. I knew about the tribe that sacked Rome and the architecture, but I didn't know that back then goth was used to describe people who were interested in the architecture or art. Neat.
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