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Suicide? An escape from reality by a number of people round the world every year. Usually the cause is depression caused by mental stabilities, trauma, cults, harsh-up bringing and even fad. What you think of suicide is anything, anything at all, an escape from the suffering you suffer, a selfish escape, a sin against God almighty or whoever or whatever you believe in. But you have to get rid of all human perspective, thought and the human element to get to the basic. What is suicide? The act of killing oneself (oneself being an organism with intelligence to an extent of making choices) for a reason. I personally think of it every minute, on the hour every hour of every day. But yet I'm still alive, why is that? Obviously the reason another person would think is "O he's got something to live for" or "something is making him stay put in this world". What if there was just a possibility that that person's happiness was illusion, fake and they knew it. They weren't happy, but still denied suicide? You would then think "O they're following God's whim" or "They're taught not to do that." Get rid of the teachings also, and still that person refuses to die, then WHY? WHY live? Maybe another though "they're mentally insane", but even then what if it wasnt a possibilty? What would you think then?

The person I talk about aint me if you were thinking that. That was partially me until "the mentally insane" part. All I'm trying to get out is that no matter the circumstance people dont just commit suicide even if all the odds are against them. And yes I know my source is a little...unbelievable but to an extent you have to consider the question. What if there was a person like that in this world? I persnally dont think that is possible, because of the odds I mean its unlikely especially when you're talking about chance. Billions of chances to 1. But if that person existed, what would you think then?

Thats what I think everyday, even the thought of commiting suicide myself, but for me, no matter how sad I get, its as if I just keep Floating on. Maybe a chance later in life. Maybe one day all of the sadness will go away, I'll be happy again, I'll be in the place I do belong. But then the fact hits me, I've had chances and chances upon chances to fit in everywhere I've been. Even now I'm having a tough time trying to find the perfect place. Alone was always where I was, not even wanting to try, there was no hope for me but then music came. Music came and saved me. Thats the reason why I live now, music saved my life. There is no other time in my life that I dont feel either bored with life or unhappy unless its playing, listening, or even learning music.

That's my reason, everyone has one reason to be alive and then when that reason is gone, people go into depression. They strive to either get the feeling back, or try to hang on until life throws them another bone. Some eople are impatient and can't stand the sorrow, and that is their choice and no one should be the judge until they get the front row seat of the person in question's life. Maybe its just love, doing something, a friend, a possession, wealth, status, sickness, or even oppression that does it but whatever the case be, everyone has the choice, and its not justifiable until a true perspective of the said person's life is understood to the d.

Yeah, that's basically it. Suicide is just somebody who has decided their quality of life is such that the reward is not worth the effort and they have nothing else stopping them from doing it. Personally I think most people who commit suicide and weren't, for example, a captured prisoner who was being tortured to the brink of insanity with no real hope of escape at any point or something similar, just gave up and quit life too soon. Yeah, you may go through a LONG period of stuff that sucks and may have lost things that you will never be able to get back, but the worse your life is the more room you have for improvement and the more room for improvement over more time, as long as you keep trying, the more likely it is things will have to get better. And I'm not saying this as intending to pour salt on anybody with a bad life's wounds, telling them "oh suck it up and deal! Just keep waiting and try harder!", more just to say that if you keep hanging in there, you keep open the possibility for improvement, whereas if you quit and die, it's impossible for anything to ever get better for you again in life.
I know a lot of people are very against suicide as a "selfish" act, saying they should have thought of the other people it would effect. On the subject of how suicide effects those close to the person who does it, while other people's welfare is not the most important issue at all here, I think people often get upset over the whole thing and mistakenly call suicide "selfish" because they have faulty logic on the issue. People are hurt at the loss of those close to them, however, I'd think if you had any people so close to you that it would really hurt you worse to think of them upset by your death then to continue living you life as difficult as it may be, then really for having people who mean that much to you and you to them, I don't think there are many cases where your life is really yet that bad that it is worse then not living at all. So, people conclude that those people they valued so much did not really care that much about them, and THAT is what is really getting to them, not only did they just loose somebody, they think they may have just found out they were wrong about how close their relationship with that person was. OR, in some cases people kill themselves thinking that the people close to them would be better off if they themself were dead, so it's actually a self-LESS act, bad and stupid for forgetting that aspect of "No, they wouldn't be better off, they value you too and so would be devastated" or perhaps they are so far gone as to just be UNWILLING to admit that they could have value to these people, again definitely not selfISH but more selfLESS, or haven't considered "if they really would rather you were dead, what reason do you have to give a flying fruitcake about THEIR welfare?" These cases are really all a matter of LACKING selfish interest. In these last cases, I think the person would be much happier and have kept living had they just had better selfesteem.

Sad, but I do think loneliness is a major motivator for these kinds of things. The thing is though being lonely does make people feel "depressed." So the lonely people do fall under that category too, they just may be the ones that nobody thinks is depressed simply because the nature of their problem is such that if people really knew about their problem the problem wouldn't exist in the first place. It is especially a shame though that something as simple as loneliness can lead a person to killing themself since loneliness is not that hard a problem to solve compared to so many other possible ones. Joining clubs, moving to new places, over the course of time as long as you don't entirely make a hermit of yourself you meet new people. Meeting new people presents new opportunities to make and foster new human connections. Especially going to things associated with things you like will give you good opportunities to make friends, since you'll already have something in common with those people.

Cravenness. I honestly believe that, aside from all the aforementioned reasons for sticking around, despite the want to die, the person may simply be a coward. Too craven to even take their own life.

Think of it this way. There is no pain at the point of death. Typically, a person will live for a second without feeling any physical pain, then death will come. The nerve impulses shut down a fraction of a second before the conscious mind...the whole of brain.
The act of dying, however, is/can be, extremely painful. The sting of a small cut can hurt like mad for days, imagine that pain if the cut were deep enough to slice major veins. It would sting like nobody's business. Many common poisons would cause a person to retch and writhe in agony with severe cramps before death. Even drowning causes reactionary pain from the heaving lungs as they gasp for air--it burns, it stings inside and out. Dying is painful.

Perhaps, while the person wishes to die for the release from their suffering, they are not willing to go through more suffering to get there. Perhaps they fear the pain involved. Or they fear what people would think of them if they tried, and failed.

I get what your saying, but humans make reasons to stay alive- Love, money, possesions, family, or curiousity. All of the reasons are human made. But when you look past that we are all pointless living beings that are just going to go round in this circle of living learning and dying. Nothing is going to come out of it, sure people can learn from people in the past but in the end they are going to die too. :/
Sorry for sounding morbid but really suicide is just a human produced way of dying. We cant really define it, I certainly cant, we cant do anything about it except accept the fact that when the end comes the end comes even if it means killing yourself or being killed.

Really, I dont see the point in discussing it ( no I'm not shunning it away, no I'm not scared of it, and no I'm not against it ) if in the end we are all going to drop dead eventually. :/