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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:37 am
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:39 am
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:45 am
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:51 am
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abarrach Shinta Hitokiri I learned mine from reading. I started reading adult level and length novels in fourth grade. Is till remember that first one: Jedi Search, by Kevin J. Anderson, 365 pages. 'Twas a good book, too. Yes, but do you know the vernacular of linguistics as it pertains to grammar? i.e. "noun", "adjective", "adverb", "preposition", etc. Can you identify the different parts of speech in the text that you read? If so, are those books where you got them from? Oh, I learned most of that in grade school and Jr. High. I know how to properly use the English language quite well, even though some of the names of certain parts of speech I don't neccessarily remember the names of. If yo can properly use it, the parts of speech don't matter so much as it does to one who is trying to learn to use them properly.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:06 pm
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Shinta Hitokiri abarrach Shinta Hitokiri I learned mine from reading. I started reading adult level and length novels in fourth grade. Is till remember that first one: Jedi Search, by Kevin J. Anderson, 365 pages. 'Twas a good book, too. Yes, but do you know the vernacular of linguistics as it pertains to grammar? i.e. "noun", "adjective", "adverb", "preposition", etc. Can you identify the different parts of speech in the text that you read? If so, are those books where you got them from? Oh, I learned most of that in grade school and Jr. High. I know how to properly use the English language quite well, even though some of the names of certain parts of speech I don't neccessarily remember the names of. If yo can properly use it, the parts of speech don't matter so much as it does to one who is trying to learn to use them properly.
So they DO teach it in schools... So then, is it that they don't reinforce it later on?
I don't actually think it's important to do identify those in day-to-day practice. But I do think it's important to have learned it at some point so that you know when you're breaking the rules, so you can make a conscious decision of whether you mean to do so or not.... as opposed to just being ignorant and writing meaningless gibberish and think it's okay.
I also think this base of knowledge is important for learning new languages, which, in turn, makes you more adept as understanding new ideas.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:26 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:31 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:48 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:27 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:14 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:13 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:15 pm
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abarrach Shinta Hitokiri abarrach Shinta Hitokiri I learned mine from reading. I started reading adult level and length novels in fourth grade. Is till remember that first one: Jedi Search, by Kevin J. Anderson, 365 pages. 'Twas a good book, too. Yes, but do you know the vernacular of linguistics as it pertains to grammar? i.e. "noun", "adjective", "adverb", "preposition", etc. Can you identify the different parts of speech in the text that you read? If so, are those books where you got them from? Oh, I learned most of that in grade school and Jr. High. I know how to properly use the English language quite well, even though some of the names of certain parts of speech I don't neccessarily remember the names of. If yo can properly use it, the parts of speech don't matter so much as it does to one who is trying to learn to use them properly. So they DO teach it in schools... So then, is it that they don't reinforce it later on? I don't actually think it's important to do identify those in day-to-day practice. But I do think it's important to have learned it at some point so that you know when you're breaking the rules, so you can make a conscious decision of whether you mean to do so or not.... as opposed to just being ignorant and writing meaningless gibberish and think it's okay. I also think this base of knowledge is important for learning new languages, which, in turn, makes you more adept as understanding new ideas. Makes sense to me. I'm rather happy with knowing english, because it's one of the more useful languages, at least from what I've read when it comes to having descriptive words, amongst other things.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:30 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:34 pm
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abarrach Okay, I think we've established that grammar isn't being taught in school well enough, if at all. So, that begs the question, where do you grammarians who are still in school learn the rules of grammar? I can see how you can acquire some of the skills through osmosis by reading a lot, but that doesn't account for knowing the rules and the vocabulary used to describe the rules... at least not unless you're reading grammar references.
I read immensely. I read a lot of Anne Mccaffrey, Issac Asimov, and when I was only nine years old, I read the Hobbit, that's the book I chose to do my Grade four book report on, I got a 100% Most students chose books like "Arthur" , and yet I read, and did a report on what was supposedly a Grade 11 book.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:32 pm
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