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I wouldn't be surprised if one of them died, but I'm not really expecting both to be finished off so quickly.

Hm. There are nine members of Akatsuki, right? Sasori was replaced by Tobi, so some Akatsuki members are going to have to be defeated soon. Because there's the nine Akatsuki people to defeat, Orochimaru to beat, and Sasuke to rescue... and unless the Naruto manga ends up stretching out for hundreds and hundreds of volumes (which I'm really hoping against sweatdrop ), if they spend too long getting whooped by Akatsuki, they won't have time to save Sasuke before Orochimaru occupies his body.

You DON'T know that. THAT is SIMPLY your personal interpretation, which has no bearing on the interpretation of other readers. Your answer is not right or incorrect, and nor is mine. Because it's simply an opinion, and is non-negotiable. And actually, a lot of authors DO say what the "theme/point" is in interviews. AFTER the story is DONE. That may be a few years. Someone WILL ask him that question, and he'll probably answer it.

You've changed your arguement. You've gone from, "Naruto is about hope" to, "Naruto is not proving any sort of point." If it isn't PROVING a point, there isn't one. You're all into science. Something does not exist if we cannot prove it. That's how science works.

Harry Potter isn't done yet. We don't know if he wins. Voldemort is in 7 pieces. One of those pieces, I believe, in in Harry's scar. Harry may have to die to destroy Lord Voldemort. I hardly call that a victory.

Right-o.

Not in the next chapter. I'm thinking either a big fight will happen, and say 3-5 chapters someone will be wounded or killed, and they will flee or die. If not, reinforcements from Konoha/Akatsuki may arrive, and completley change the course of the fight. Or maybe a good guy will die, though I seriously hope not.

I don't know about rushed. Since Akatsuki have been adding more members more frequently recently. (Tobi is apparently one of the newer members, along with Kakuzu and Hidan, who were added somewhere in the last few years. Pretty recent for a group that is at least a decade old).

I think the art looks bad, but for me it's more of a style thing than technical errors -- Kishimoto's style has changed so much since the early chapters, and to me it's a change for the worse. However, whether Kishimoto's style is improving or degenerating is more subjective than objective, so it's difficult to argue either way.



And I know plenty of Team 10 fans and haters alike who aren't enjoying the recent chapters, as well as a Kakashi fan who's getting impatient with it. The plural of anecdote isn't data, so I don't really see your point.

Actually, if Ino and Chouji start fighting next week, I won't feel stupid. I'll be impressed. biggrin That's part of the risk of scrutinising an on-going story: you may well be proved wrong somewhere down the line. It's a risk I don't mind taking, just because I don't take criticisms of Naruto too seriously. Everybody's wrong about the story at some point, but it doesn't mean people shouldn't make predictions.



I wasn't around when the Sound fights were going on, but like I said above, people are always going to criticise a story. Nothing can be universally appealing. But I don't think you can compare some people's criticisms of something with entirely different people's criticisms of an entirely different storyline. Criticisers of the manga don't have a hive mind, after all, and circumstances are different.

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I'm not trying to be right, I'm just correcting you. I didn't come here to start fights with you. neutral The only reason I didn't stop disagreeing with your posts was because I wasn't aware that you wanted me to... until you started personally attacking me.

You thought Sasori's fight was boring? I quite liked it. Then again, that may be my Sakura love shining through. xd I liked seeing her showing off her new moves, and it was nice to be able to tell the haters to stfu when they called her weak -- taking out an Akatsuki member isn't bad going for a weakling. razz

As for style, that's simply an opinion. I rather like this clean look. It is far more three-dimensional, proportional, and realistic than crappy anime we're all used to seeing. Unlike other anime, I can draw his characters by drawing actual skulls and bone structures.

Do you have specific examples or are you just pulling it out of your a**. Knowing "plenty" kids on the internet really isn't the same thing as knowing actual people who discuss such things and aren't just saying it to get people to agree with them. An arguement requires evidence, or else it's just pointless babbling.

Making predictions is one thing; bitching about how much it sucks for a whole week is another. It's unhealthy.

I never said they wouldn't criticize it. Criticism and bitching about it for days on end, arguing with people and making it a federal case, are far different things. What makes my arguement credible and ABLE to compare and contrast simply are two reasons: 1. Kishimoto is KNOWN for repetition in all his stories and 2. It makes valid sense and is a valid arguement.

What the hell happened to stop being off topic? Jesus Christ.

Agreed. But I know a lot of people who didn't like the sound 5 fight, and thought it was "turning in the Dragonball Z" (Which Kishimoto ACTUALLY admitted to). Your complaining is based off of your hate for those characters. I personally was fascinated with an undead/"immortal" character. Because I wasn't biased over how much Shikamaru sucks monkey balls, I rather enjoyed the fight. Also as far as Kakashi and Deidara and all of those... they were boring to me as well but I believe Hidan and Kakuzu are different. Because clearly they are. Or else they would be named "Deidara" and "Sasori." I know my hate for the Sasori fight was completely biased because I don't like that old lady... she bores me. Also, you're simply just speculating on how the fight looks. You don't have evidence. I however, do. First of all, Kakashi's fight with Deidara DID have some interesting things occur. Kakashi's Sharingan was acting strangely. Second, this fight has a complete cell. The other fights did not. Third, Shikamaru's fights just plain turn out different. Usually a little on the stupidly dramatic side, but different nonetheless. Fourth, Kakashi and Shikamaru make an excellent team.

No, but you'll look stupid for saying that it was so dumb that Kishimoto threw them aside, when this whole time I've been saying that they probably WILL fight, but that it's only been ONE chapter. He hasn't thrown them aside because it's only been ONE chapter. You can't expect everyone to spring in to action at once, can you? That's not good strategy, let alone a realistic plot.

You don't know that. lol Now you're just guessing to make a point.

Yeah, it's an opinion... that's what I said, and why I said it isn't worth arguing. neutral



Why would I need specific examples for anecdotal evidence? That's my point. You knowing Team 10 fans/haters who love the chapters means nothing, just like me knowing Team 10 fans/haters who haven't enjoyed the chapters means nothing. Unless you do some kind of study that shows a trend of Shikamaru haters not liking the recent chapters, you knowing people like that means nothing as "evidence".



Unhealthy?



Nobody's been making it a "federal case", people are just debating this stuff. I don't know about anybody else, but this is an ideal place for me to be nerdy about the Naruto manga, and debating about it gives me an especially geeky kind of joy. I don't think people are getting seriously worked up about it; I haven't got that impression from their posts, anyway.



Yeah, see, I quite liked Chiyo. >_> So I enjoyed following that fight. I can definitely see why it would be less enjoyable if you didn't care about a throwaway character, though. xd