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 Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:07 am
oOo-Az-oOo Whatever happened to the values of humanity,
Whatever happened to the fairness in equality...
If you're asking that question about the fact that I think all girls should wear a hijab, well then yes, I guess I am brainwashed. =D And proud. <_<
And uhh, didn't I state CLEARLY in the beginning that it was a mere example? If you decide to ignore facts, then I'll let you, afterall, it's your loss. Haha, also, I see it was a mistake for me to leave the story without saying what the example shows. >_> Clearly, my thought that the public have enough brains to figure it out themselves was too generous of me. =D And also, may I add, I found the way that you twisted my words impressive. stare
Anyways, sayonara!~ biggrin
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Instead of spreading love we're spreading animosity,
Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity... Mashallah smile
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:21 am
oOo-Az-oOo If you're asking that question about the fact that I think all girls should wear a hijab, well then yes, I guess I am brainwashed. =D And proud. <_< oOo-Az-oOo And uhh, didn't I state CLEARLY in the beginning that it was a mere example? If you decide to ignore facts, then I'll let you, afterall, it's your loss. oOo-Az-oOo Haha, also, I see it was a mistake for me to leave the story without saying what the example shows. >_> Clearly, my thought that the public have enough brains to figure it out themselves was too generous of me. =D oOo-Az-oOo And also, may I add, I found the way that you twisted my words impressive. stare
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:41 pm
If Allah wanted us to cover up our bodies, why didn't god then create us with the damn hijab on already.... stare
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:04 pm
Think logical!
U must be covered infront of others, but not infront of your husband, makes sence?
You don't dare thaking off underwear infront of others, but u do infront of husband....
And also, don't question everything Allah made!
It's probably to test if we follow, ore go naked.
Don't be secular sister smile And also, i'm sorry for offending you smile Hope u understand it is just to explain, i don't whant anything bad 3nodding
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:13 pm
The_Pathan Think logical! U must be covered infront of others, but not infront of your husband, makes sence? You don't dare thaking off underwear infront of others, but u do infront of husband.... And also, don't question everything Allah made! It's probably to test if we follow, ore go naked. Don't be secular sister smile And also, i'm sorry for offending you smile Hope u understand it is just to explain, i don't whant anything bad 3nodding
And well, maybe I'm not really thinking "logical" but, atleast...I'm thinking...
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 1:53 pm
When I wear my hijab I feel very good and inside. I think you're right Mini. Hijab is a very important thing to protect us. biggrin
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 2:01 pm
Ah, this is outside of my territory since I'm not wearing one.. (Of course!! gonk )
I personally think that it doesn't really matter as long as what you wear isn't so 'opened', as long as the body itself is covered and not the hair.
But I know Allah told us, no, I mean the girls to wear them, so, what can I say.. Even though I haven't found the need of it..
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:55 pm
The_Pathan Think logical! U must be covered infront of others, but not infront of your husband, makes sence? You don't dare thaking off underwear infront of others, but u do infront of husband.... And also, don't question everything Allah made! It's probably to test if we follow, ore go naked.
People have learned that seeing someone's skin is not an invitation for sex, or for lust.
There are rules that explicitly forbid people to have sex in that particular area, where the nudist colonies are.
Your logic doesn't make any sense when there are many cases of proving it wrong.
And why shouldn't you question the logic of your God's rules? They exist for a reason, surely? Or is questioning your God a sin and you are expected to follow blindly?
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:03 am
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:15 pm
Whatever happened to the values of humanity,
Whatever happened to the fairness in equality...
Wow. eek South Slickpaw, I am both shocked and amazed. I respect you for the most certain large degree of intelligence you possess, and not in a marginal extent either. =D I am happy, as only a fourteen year old, to be part of this coversation. Haha, this will be an interesting experience. Now let's see...hmm...
I'm proud of being 'brainwashed', because I choose to follow the path of Islam, and do so in the most pure way I can. This is my belief, my life, my soul, Islam. So, if wearing a hijab and being proud of it is being 'brainwashed', then I will fully accept this...uhh..'suggestion' that divineseraph had so kindly put forward. =D And if my religion brings me enlightenment, then who is anybody to take that away from me? sweatdrop Also, I would like to add, I DO know what 'brainwashed' means, and even though you asking that questions suggests that I am ignorant, I take no offence. I may be young, but I do take pride in at least being able to understand certain things. ^^'
My opinion? I guess it is, isn't it? I will strive to give clearer and more correct examples in future, and if I ever come across one that I am 100% sure you will not find fault with, I will consult you. 3nodding However, it really was a mere example, and I understand you may find this uhh...'thought' of mine 'pathetic' once again, nevertheless, I will proceed to explain fully what I meant by it. =D
Also, may I add, where did this imaginary 'claim to have more intelligence then you' come from? That part of my post wasn't even directed to you, in actual fact, none of it was, I only saw your post right now actually. ^^' But honestly, instead of suggesting that I'm 'brainwashed', the person that was aimed at could easily just have argued the point clearly and logically like you have. >_> Also, I wasn't 'complaining' in any way, even though a teen, I'm not a winging brat like most of my peers. I like to have intelligent discussions with people, and learn from my mistakes, and even others mistakes. I accept it if I am wrong, and will not 'complain' in any way whatsoever. stare
Again, that post wasn't directed to you, though I understand you may have connected certain points of it to yourself...somehow. I didn't even say you altered my post, I wasn't even talking to you.
"So girls who choose to wear something that ISN'T a Hajib or whatever are ASKING to be raped?"
Is what I was talking about. >_> Not only calling the hijab a 'hajib...or whatever' (which I find disrespectful, I would never be so insensitive towards anothers religion, but that's not the point ^^') but...well..
The 'moral' (sort of) of the story is that the hijab isn't just a garment for Muslim women to wear to keep their dignity (I don't wear it for that reason btw) but also as a...sort of blessing from Allah. sweatdrop It can help us, and even you must admit, a boy's 'desire' would much rather be aroused by the girl who was without a hijab. I know, many guys wouldn't rape a girl, but as I said, there is ALWAYS the risk, there is ALWAYS a chance, and you may just be lucky. I know...people that haven't been as fortunate as you. sad I know, I have not expressed my point clearly enough, but...for once, I can't. I know, you're disgusted with me right now, yet, I...^^'...will try, later on, when I don't have the stress of exams weighing on me, and a migraine lurking at the back of me head. biggrin
And um sorry for my 'annoying post style', I never really stopped to think about how it may effect you. stare And actually, the lyrics I have placed as my border is my personal declaration of peace to my fellow Gaians, I care about the world, more than you think a 14 year old can. >_> So, you cannot grudge me for my post style. =D
These are my views on hijab, without any 'dodgy' examples. =D This is what I've been brought up believing in. ^^'
1. An act of obedience. The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (pbuh), Allah says in the Qur'an:
`It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, has indeed strayed in a plain error.' (S33:36).
Allah also said:
'And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc) and not to show off their adornment except what must (ordinarily) appear thereof, that they should draw their veils over their Juyubihinna.'(S24:31).
Juyubihinna: The respected scholars from As-Salaf As-Saleh (righteous predecessors) differed whether the veil cover of the body must include the hands and face or not. Today, respected scholars say that the hands and face must be covered. Other respected scholars say it is preferable for women to cover their whole bodies.
2.The Hijab is IFFAH (Modesty).
Allah (subhana wa'atala) made the adherence to the hijab a manifestation for chastity and modesty. Allah says:
'O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) over their bodies (when outdoors). That is most convenient that they should be known and not molested.' (S33:59).
In the above Ayaah there is an evidence that the recognition of the apparent beauty of the woman is harmful to her. When the cause of attraction ends, the restriction is removed. This is illustrated in the case of elderly women who may have lost every aspect of attraction. Allah (swt) made it permissible for them to lay aside their outer garments and expose their faces and hands reminding, however, that is still better for them to keep their modesty.
3. The hijab is Tahara (Purity)
Allah (swt) had shown us the hikma (wisdom) behind the legislation of the hijab:
`And when you ask them (the Prophet's wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and their hearts.' (S33:53).
The hijab makes for greater purity for the hearts of believing men and women because it screens against the desire of the heart. Without the hijab, the heart may or may not desire. That is why the heart is more pure when the sight is blocked (by hijab) and thus the prevention of fitna (evil actions is very much manifested. The hijab cuts off the ill thoughts and the greed of the sick hearts:
`Be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire for adultery, etc) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.' (S33:32)
4. The hijab is a Shield
The prophet (pbuh) said:
"Allah, Most High, is Heaven, is Ha'yeii (Bashful), Sit'teer (Shielder). He loves Haya' (Bashfulness) and Sitr (Shielding; Covering)."
The Prophet (pbuh) also said:
"Any woman who takes off her clothes in other than her husband's house (to show off for unlawful purposes), has broken Allah's shield upon her. "
The hadith demonstrates that depending upon the kind of action committed there will be either reward (if good) or punishment (if bad).
5. The hijab is Taqwah (Righteousness)
Allah (swt) says in the Qur'an:
O children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc) and as an adornment. But the raiment of righteousness, that is better.'(S7:26).
The widespread forms of dresses in the world today are mostly for show off and hardly taken as a cover and shield of the woman's body. To the believing women, however the purpose is to safeguard their bodies and cover their private parts as a manifestation of the order of Allah. It is an act of Taqwah (righteousness).
6. The hijab is Eemaan (Belief or Faith)
Allah (swt) did not address His words about the hijab except to the believing women, Al-Mo'minat. In many cases in the Qur'an Allah refers to the "the believing women". Aisha (RA), the wife of the prophet (pbuh), addressed some women from the tribe of Banu Tameem who came to visit her and had light clothes on them, they were improperly dressed:
"If indeed you are believing women, then truly this is not the dress of the believing women, and if you are not believing women, then enjoy it."
7. The hijab is Haya' (Bashfulness)
There are two authentic hadith which state: "Each religion has a morality and the morality of Islam is haya'" AND "Bashfulness is from belief, and belief is in Al-Jannah (paradise)". The hijab fits the natural bashfulness which is a part of the nature of women.
8. The hijab is Gheerah
The hijab fits the natural feeling of Gheerah, which is intrinsic in the straight man who does not like people to look at his wife or daughters. Gheerah is a driving emotion that drives the straight man to safeguard women who are related to him from strangers. The straight MUSLIM man has Gheerah for ALL MUSLIM women In response to lust and desire, men look (with desire) at other women while they do not mind that other men do the same to their wives or daughters. The mixing of sexes and absence of hijab destroys the Gheera in men. Islam considers Gheerah an integral part of faith. The dignity of the wife or daughter or any other Muslim woman must be highly respected and defended.
You may say all the above lacks logic, but I will never disobey the word of all-mighty Allah and the prophet Mohammed [PBUH]. The Arabic word Islam simply means "surrender (to Allah)". The essence of our religion is this surrender or submission. It requires trust on our part. Trust that Allah SWT will be there for us, trust that He knows what is best for us. So, yes, I will follow Him blindly, if I have to. 3nodding
And please, I fear that others may be more reluctant to answer your questions, so feel free to ask me. ^^' [Even if by now you are agitated by the length and 'annoying-ness' of my post. xd ]
@Rainari: You say why hadn't Allah just create us with the hijabs on already, well, Allah SWT tests us. He sends difficulties our way to see how we cope. He wants to see if we will keep trying even when it's a challenge. He wants to see if we will maintain our faith in Him, and trust in Him. If we do continue to have faith and to trust in Him, then He may reward us with Jannah for our sabr, inshallah. And Jannah is the everlasting reward. Any difficulty we face in the world will seem as fleeting as a nightmare when we look back from the Hereafter, and any ease we face in the world will also seem as fleeting as a dream. We shouldn't set these fleeting states as our goal; we should set the ultimate happiness as our goal. And the ultimate happiness is Jannah. So, wearing the hijab is something for YOUR sake, not His. ^^' Well, I think that's the way it goes anyway ^^'
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Bye bye dudes! ~sigh~ This took so long. xd
Instead of spreading love we're spreading animosity,
Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity...
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:56 am
Mashallah mashallah mashallah!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:28 am
rofl rofl rofl
Wow. xd That's the strongest reaction I've had to one of my rants. =P Haha, though I gotta admit, that IS the longest I've ever gone. ^^'
Also,, now you've figured out why my font is always so small. rofl
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:57 am
SMALL!!! I diden't even note!
What if it's big, how long is it?
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:06 am
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 8:31 am
Eh..heh...hehh...^^'...
But I wanted to talk 'intelligent' with South Slickpaw, but I think she's gone. Me and my bad timing. >_> I may not find another person to converse with in such depth and detail. crying
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