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 Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:43 pm
Diana Vulpes Af Mas I'm largely agnostic. I honestly believe there's something out there, and believing that there's something waiting for me after I die, whether there is or not, just makes me feel better about what I do in life. I find a lot of things in paganism and Wicca to be really interesting, and a big part of me wishes to pursue being part of that, but since I know so little about either, I'm reluctant to say I am pagan/Wiccan, not until I'm more educated
Never allow yourself to be allowed be called a pagan, Af, it is a demorlaizing term. Its original intent was to describe a people that's beliefs were false. Whatever your relgion was, everyone else was a pagan, that is how it worked. One should never call themself a pagan, because that is like addmiting that what you believe is lesser than others.That's just the term I was told to use for earth-based religions. I guess I was wrong xd
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:45 pm
Af Mas That's just the term I was told to use for earth-based religions. I guess I was wrong xd
What I was told as well, but I tend to fallow the orginal meaning of words rather than what people have tried to twist their meaning into.
For some the term pagan is said with pride, the pride however is misplaced out of ignornace of the meaning of the word.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:48 pm
Diana Vulpes Af Mas That's just the term I was told to use for earth-based religions. I guess I was wrong xd
What I was told as well, but I tend to fallow the orginal meaning of words rather than what people have tried to twist their meaning into.
For some the term pagan is said with pride, the pride however is misplaced out of ignornace of the meaning of the word.Then I think I need to rename my religious beliefs as Agnostic with Wiccan interest XP Not enough info on the Wicca stuff to really call myself that
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:03 pm
Thanks Kriss and Shoki.
Next year my resolution is to be more assertive. This year when the coach was gone and the team captain was in charge, and no one did their work out, I told them all--seniors and everyone--that they could either do the work out or go home. That was the most assertive thing I've done all year, yeigh.
And Shoki, if you insist...add Stephanie Shaefer to your list. What, I didn't suggest pulling a McGooley(sp?) on her. <<.>>
As for religion being forced on atheists (teens usually I'd guess) I'm one of those too. The first straw for me was when I learned that gays were against the church and that the teachings inspired--not started, but inspired--the "god hates fags" campaign. That pissed me off to no end, and ever since then Catholisism has made no sense to me. I only go twice a year, so I grin and bear it and try to see the good things, which are plentiful, but not enough to convert me.
You know what I noticed though? Every single person I know who as gone to Catholic school is now hugely anti-catholic. The only exception is my dad, who is male, adult, and he went there in Canada. He says that they're much less forceful there.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:17 pm
FogSage Darien_Thread Lloxie Meep, a bit extreme words there Fog, but understandable. I imagine that's beyond frustrating. Pressuring people into going to church, I don't CARE how, is extremely annoying, and wrong. And at any age, too. In my opinion, parents have no right to force their religion on their kids. <_< Witch is true. It is always wrong to force some one into a religion because if they are forced they don’t actually have true faith in it so it is pointless any ways. But ALL parents will try to push there kids towards what they believe. I know you are not going to have kids, Lox, but if you were would you tell them there is no God? Ah, now that's the question, innit? God can neither be proven nor disproven. It's all a matter of either having faith and believing in God, or not having faith and not believing in God. I don't have faith in God, and thus I do not believe or pray to him. To me, God represents one of those oddly decadent deep south gentlemen from the 40's. He's loving.....to a point. NO GAYS, BLACKS, OR OTHER RELIGIONS ALLOWED. To me, the Bible is highly unreliable. In the beginning of it, you've got lots of history, and then you've got Jesus, the necromancer, the street magician, the healer of the blind, sick, and lame. No, I would not put my faith in such a person as he. And then there's the mere thing about MEETING God. If God exsists, why hasn't he come to my house to borrow a cup of sugar? >_> I mean, how can I give him all these magazines I subscribed for, but no longer read? The only way to make nonbelievers believe is if you GIVE THEM SOLID EVIDENCE. I mean, if God came down from Heaven, I would believe. I would believe in him. Otherwise, no. If it can't be seen by the human eye, it can't be real. That's my theory. And you can't compare God to the wind, because we've scientifically proved that the wind is a force of nature and can be detected with scientific knowledge. God can't. Sorry. Ok, now you are getting into a racist like way of looking at the Christians. I am gay and I go to church and I am a christen. ANY ONE says that a Gay man is going to hell is braking a the rules of the bible in more ways than a gay man dose. And If I recall almost all Black people in the south are Christians. And please don’t call Jesus and Necromancer. A Necromancer is some one that resurrects Zombies for his own gain to create an Army. Jesus resurrected some one to HEAL them. If you are going to call him any thing then call him a White Mage >_< There is evidence out there if you look. But can I ask you something. You are only allowed into the gate of haven if you trust and believe in god thugh faith. If you knew he was there because you met him then you would believe in him though fact, and that is not the same thing. It is your call to make and we will not know until we die.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:42 pm
Zella L. You know what I noticed though? Every single person I know who as gone to Catholic school is now hugely anti-catholic. The only exception is my dad, who is male, adult, and he went there in Canada. He says that they're much less forceful there. I went to a Catholic school for a bit (local elementary school had gang problems o_O;; ) and while I don't hate Catholics, I would never want to go back to being one. It's probably because there religion was somewhat force-fed to us, and no one likes what they're forced into.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:49 pm
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:53 pm
Zella L. As for religion being forced on atheists (teens usually I'd guess) I'm one of those too. The first straw for me was when I learned that gays were against the church and that the teachings inspired--not started, but inspired--the "god hates fags" campaign. That pissed me off to no end, and ever since then Catholisism has made no sense to me. I only go twice a year, so I grin and bear it and try to see the good things, which are plentiful, but not enough to convert me. You know what I noticed though? Every single person I know who as gone to Catholic school is now hugely anti-catholic. The only exception is my dad, who is male, adult, and he went there in Canada. He says that they're much less forceful there. Methodists take the approach to homosexuality like it's a disease that can be cured with God's help. They like to avoid it and if confronted, their creed is, "Love the sinner, hate the sin." I've had MASSIVE issues with that saying. I am my own sin. I am gay. If you hate what I do, then you hate ME.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:59 pm
FogSage If you hate what I do, then you hate ME. Not necessarily true. You can hate something such as...doing drugs, but you can still love the person who is addicted to it. You can hate alcohol, but you can love the person who does it. And in my own little example, my mate hates me being a furry and drawin anthro art (he's a furry in denial...calling himself a fox and an animal >>) but he loves me. You can hate what a person does, but still love the person who does it.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:05 pm
Leyla Giselle FogSage If you hate what I do, then you hate ME. Not necessarily true. You can hate something such as...doing drugs, but you can still love the person who is addicted to it. You can hate alcohol, but you can love the person who does it. And in my own little example, my mate hates me being a furry and drawin anthro art (he's a furry in denial...calling himself a fox and an animal >>) but he loves me. You can hate what a person does, but still love the person who does it. But if you enjoy what you're doing, and others call it a sin, then basically, I am hated. That's okay. I don't care because what they say is complete BS.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:09 pm
FogSage Leyla Giselle FogSage If you hate what I do, then you hate ME. Not necessarily true. You can hate something such as...doing drugs, but you can still love the person who is addicted to it. You can hate alcohol, but you can love the person who does it. And in my own little example, my mate hates me being a furry and drawin anthro art (he's a furry in denial...calling himself a fox and an animal >>) but he loves me. You can hate what a person does, but still love the person who does it. But if you enjoy what you're doing, and others call it a sin, then basically, I am hated. That's okay. I don't care because what they say is complete BS. I'm pretty sure drug users enjoy what they do and get yelled and bitched at by people that love them, same with alcohol. You aren't hated, you are just looking at it that way.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:12 pm
I think this is a pretty good example of why religion shouldn't be discussed by furs, or most people for that matter xp
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:32 pm
Af Mas I think this is a pretty good example of why religion shouldn't be discussed by furs, or most people for that matter xp Why? Nothing's getting out of hand, and this is helping realize stuff...... Asphy, you are what you are. There's no difference between me being gay and me having gay sex or thoughts of gay sex. According to the popular saying, if you think it, you do it. And if I've done it, I've commited a sin. Therefore, my sins directly represent who I am.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:36 pm
FogSage Af Mas I think this is a pretty good example of why religion shouldn't be discussed by furs, or most people for that matter xp Why? Nothing's getting out of hand, and this is helping realize stuff...... Asphy, you are what you are. There's no difference between me being gay and me having gay sex or thoughts of gay sex. According to the popular saying, if you think it, you do it. And if I've done it, I've commited a sin. Therefore, my sins directly represent who I am. Yeah, it's going okay here, I'm just saying. It can get ugly
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:41 pm
Af Mas FogSage Af Mas I think this is a pretty good example of why religion shouldn't be discussed by furs, or most people for that matter xp Why? Nothing's getting out of hand, and this is helping realize stuff...... Asphy, you are what you are. There's no difference between me being gay and me having gay sex or thoughts of gay sex. According to the popular saying, if you think it, you do it. And if I've done it, I've commited a sin. Therefore, my sins directly represent who I am. Yeah, it's going okay here, I'm just saying. It can get ugly Then let's stop while we're ahead and not go any further. Thanks for contributing, everyone.
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