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divineseraph

PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:40 am


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Again, do you really think that God, the creator o the Cosmos, the Infinite and Singular, made you so that you would wear a man-made cloth over your face? You really think God cares about that bullshit?


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Excuse me He does care...n u believe wat u want but ur questions would be answered on the Judgement day !!!!
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And so shall yours. Again, to quote Emerson, "The exclusionist in religion sees not that he shuts the door on Heaven to himself in striving to shut others out"
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:41 am


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yea - and the people 1400 years ago really did know about the fact that a sperm and egg mix get fertilised and it looks like a chewed bit of flest --- u guys just discovered it know -- and muslims who read the quraan 1400 years ago and knew that -- with microo0scopes and stuf --


so explain that -- how did they know about something like this 1400 years ago without any equipment?? surely there is a god (Allah SWT) and he sent down his revelations to prophet mohammed pbuh over a period of 23 years -- ok!! biggrin


That was a time of learning. Many leaps were made through geometry, alchemy and objective observation. You are killing that Godly trend by eliminating freedom of thought and action.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:43 am


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Prove to me that he cares, without using the Qu'ran. Face it- Your guidelines are arbitrary manmade assumptions about a being with infinite nature.


i care about you and do not tell you that i do,

Now prove to me if i care about you or not?


...i am waiting...


I don't see what this has to do with anything. Did you twist your use of logic to support Islam, or did your twisted logic lead you to it?


That means you can't prove it?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 8:00 am


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divineseraph
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divineseraph
Prove to me that he cares, without using the Qu'ran. Face it- Your guidelines are arbitrary manmade assumptions about a being with infinite nature.


i care about you and do not tell you that i do,

Now prove to me if i care about you or not?


...i am waiting...


I don't see what this has to do with anything. Did you twist your use of logic to support Islam, or did your twisted logic lead you to it?


That means you can't prove it?


Prove what? That you care about me or not? I don't, again, see the relevance. I can't prove that you care. And even if you wrote it down, I can't prove that it's true. There are such things as lies and typos.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 8:03 am


divineseraph
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divineseraph
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divineseraph
Prove to me that he cares, without using the Qu'ran. Face it- Your guidelines are arbitrary manmade assumptions about a being with infinite nature.


i care about you and do not tell you that i do,

Now prove to me if i care about you or not?


...i am waiting...


I don't see what this has to do with anything. Did you twist your use of logic to support Islam, or did your twisted logic lead you to it?


That means you can't prove it?


Prove what? That you care about me or not? I don't, again, see the relevance. I can't prove that you care. And even if you wrote it down, I can't prove that it's true. There are such things as lies and typos.
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therefore i can't prove that God cares since there are such lies and typos.
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:46 am


tassan
divineseraph
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...i am waiting...


I don't see what this has to do with anything. Did you twist your use of logic to support Islam, or did your twisted logic lead you to it?


That means you can't prove it?


Prove what? That you care about me or not? I don't, again, see the relevance. I can't prove that you care. And even if you wrote it down, I can't prove that it's true. There are such things as lies and typos.
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therefore i can't prove that God cares since there are such lies and typos.


It is very difficult to "Prove" that God exists, yes. Prove infinity- It is impossible, as you cannot accurately define it since you are finite. And I am still yet to see your point.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 12:01 am


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...i am waiting...


I don't see what this has to do with anything. Did you twist your use of logic to support Islam, or did your twisted logic lead you to it?


That means you can't prove it?


Prove what? That you care about me or not? I don't, again, see the relevance. I can't prove that you care. And even if you wrote it down, I can't prove that it's true. There are such things as lies and typos.
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therefore i can't prove that God cares since there are such lies and typos.


It is very difficult to "Prove" that God exists, yes. Prove infinity- It is impossible, as you cannot accurately define it since you are finite. And I am still yet to see your point.


Why would i prove that god exists?
And as you said i am finite and don't even know the meaning of infinite therefore i can't prove it. I don't feel the need of proving it, My God says there will be infinity that means there will be (to me and other Muslims).
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:33 am


That's logical fallacy of begging the question. Essentially, the fallacy goes like this-

"I think pie is the best food because I think it is the best food"- It gives no real logic, and the premise is supported by itself, which is illogical.

Or, "The bible is right because the bible says so" or "God exists because God says so" or "Martha stewart is the best cook because she said so"- It is illogical to make such claims. This is not to say that the bible can't be right or that God doesn't exist or that Martha Stewart isn't the best cook- You just can't use their word for it as evidence.

You can find evidence of the Infinite God through logic and reason.

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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:12 am


divineseraph
That's logical fallacy of begging the question. Essentially, the fallacy goes like this-

"I think pie is the best food because I think it is the best food"- It gives no real logic, and the premise is supported by itself, which is illogical.

Or, "The bible is right because the bible says so" or "God exists because God says so" or "Martha stewart is the best cook because she said so"- It is illogical to make such claims. This is not to say that the bible can't be right or that God doesn't exist or that Martha Stewart isn't the best cook- You just can't use their word for it as evidence.


I never said God exists because i think, and i never said my God exists because he said me.

divineseraph
You can find evidence of the Infinite God through logic and reason.


show me the evidence.
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 4:18 pm


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divineseraph
That's logical fallacy of begging the question. Essentially, the fallacy goes like this-

"I think pie is the best food because I think it is the best food"- It gives no real logic, and the premise is supported by itself, which is illogical.

Or, "The bible is right because the bible says so" or "God exists because God says so" or "Martha stewart is the best cook because she said so"- It is illogical to make such claims. This is not to say that the bible can't be right or that God doesn't exist or that Martha Stewart isn't the best cook- You just can't use their word for it as evidence.


I never said God exists because i think, and i never said my God exists because he said me.

divineseraph
You can find evidence of the Infinite God through logic and reason.


show me the evidence.


You said "My God says there will be infinity"- Which is justified by your God being right, which is justified by the Quran being right which is given by God, and we start at the beginning of the fallacy again.

As for evidence of God? To start, nothing exists without a cause. The universe began as a singularity of infinite nature. This singularity was outside of time, and as such, should never be able to expand, due to having infinite mass/gravity and no time in which to expand in the first place. Therefore, it is logical that there is an outside cause of existence, namely, God.

To prove Soulstuff, or the subtle stuff that makes up consciousness and God, look at Descartes. He came up with "Contigo Ergo Sum" which means roughly "I think, therefore I am". We think, and we are aware that we think, and therefore we can prove that we must exist. Not as a physical being alone, as we are not just an arm or flesh or brain matter, but a "thinking thing", or soul. If soulstuff exists, then so too must God.

Or, we can go from the polarity argument- All things have polarities- Dark has light, heavy has light, cold has hot, male has female. Any anything which has degrees has a maximum- For example, if you're looking at temperature, there are extremes that are the perfect embodiments of those ideas. So it goes with perfection- Human beings are imperfect. This means that, since there are degrees of perfection, there must be something that is truly perfect, and that is God.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:05 pm


spottystripes
yea - and the people 1400 years ago really did know about the fact that a sperm and egg mix get fertilised and it looks like a chewed bit of flest --- u guys just discovered it know -- and muslims who read the quraan 1400 years ago and knew that -- with microo0scopes and stuf --


so explain that -- how did they know about something like this 1400 years ago without any equipment?? surely there is a god (Allah SWT) and he sent down his revelations to prophet mohammed pbuh over a period of 23 years -- ok!! biggrin
They probably learned it from the Israelites or from someone else. There's a story in Genesis that refers that a man's seed, his sperm, is what makes a woman pregnant.

And the Prophet Isiah talks about the formation of a child in the womb (him in particular). So your claim....yeah it's been known for quite some time, and before Islam even existed.
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 3:32 am


Did people not know that, those times? Then how did womens get pregnant 2000 years ago? lol Just wondering....

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:23 pm


divineseraph

As for evidence of God? To start, nothing exists without a cause. The universe began as a singularity of infinite nature. This singularity was outside of time, and as such, should never be able to expand, due to having infinite mass/gravity and no time in which to expand in the first place. Therefore, it is logical that there is an outside cause of existence, namely, God.
I take it you are establishing the concept of the the cosmological argument. The notion that something cannot come from absolute nothing, but rather, an outside force.
But the Law of Conservation of Matter states clearly that matter cannot be created or destroyed; just reassembled. But I suppose that the concept of God is beyond the rules of science conveniently. rolleyes

divineseraph
To prove Soulstuff, or the subtle stuff that makes up consciousness and God, look at Descartes. He came up with "Contigo Ergo Sum" which means roughly "I think, therefore I am". We think, and we are aware that we think, and therefore we can prove that we must exist. Not as a physical being alone, as we are not just an arm or flesh or brain matter, but a "thinking thing", or soul. If soulstuff exists, then so too must God.
But is it merely the ability to rationalize as human beings that set us apart from animals? How does the ability to think and rationalize say "I have a soul!" It has just given humans the upper hand through a series of evolutions.
And to "think, therefore I am", you would have to say based on that logic that you are only an "am" if you were awake. Asleep, you are entering the unconscious, and Descartes was primarily concerned with the conscious. So for 18 hours a day, roughly, you are "am" because you can think, and when you're asleep, you do not fulfill these requirements. Technically that would mean that you only exist during the day. But then there are also things that a human being can do that does not require thought as well.
Then you have to get to the point of, do I actually exist or am I part of someone's fantasy?
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Or, we can go from the polarity argument- All things have polarities- Dark has light, heavy has light, cold has hot, male has female. Any anything which has degrees has a maximum- For example, if you're looking at temperature, there are extremes that are the perfect embodiments of those ideas. So it goes with perfection- Human beings are imperfect. This means that, since there are degrees of perfection, there must be something that is truly perfect, and that is God.
Not necessarily.
Cold is the absence of heat
Dark is the absence of light
You're talking about what would "theoretically" complement each other. Male and female relationships are only typical because they are the most prominant and widely accepted relationship in the world. Males can have males and females can have females.
You're putting pairs with things that you are familiar in your culture that is not necessarily the same thing with other people of other cultures.
You consider dark the polar opposite of light simply because YOU cannot see, and very few humans can. But there's still light, you just lack the ability to sense it. That's why some creatures can see in the dark while others cannot. Same with heat, and cold. Heat is created by atoms vibrating vigorously against the other and that energy is expelled in a form we know as heat. The less the atoms move and bounce around, the cooler the temperature is.

Now, back to the philosophical side. Even if this was "evidence" of God's existence, all it shows that there is a possibility of a higher being existing. It doesn't state that this supposed super power is benevolent and loving and all that stuff that religions tend to believe in when they call out for a God.
PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:22 am


No, I'm arguing the exact opposite WITH science- things, let alone EVERYTHING, cannot come from nothing. The universe began as a timeless singularity which should not have been able to expand as we know it did under it's circumstances. So, it makes sense that there was some creative force to alter it. Or even that the singularity WAS God as it fit the infinite, timeless description. Not that God just poofed the universe into existence- The exact opposite. Don't fight strawmen, please.


No, you exist, but you have a harder time using your body, and it's lingual abilities. And if you are someone's fantasy, then who is the "You" being deceived?
Like it or not, you exist.

Males can have males and females can have females, but that is a personal choice, not a physical distinction. Assuming there WAS no such thing as a soul, my argument based on physical realities would be flawless- Males and females would mate, there would be no conscious choice.

I never said anything about God being benevolent in this argument, merely logical evidence of potential existence.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:39 pm


hmm pretty nice discussion going on here... so do both of yall believe in God or no?
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