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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:00 am


The_Pathan
Nothing I wanna say right now blaugh

Have u seen a 15 year old with beard??? big beard


YES!! OMG!! so many 15 yr. old boys get mistaken for grown men!!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:03 am


The_Pathan
I try to ignore it, or go away from the onion razz

lolz okay okhti, if u tell me smile I think the most joyful thing is with u 3nodding

Hahaha, nooo way. No beard rofl But they made a topic saying it's farz for boys to grow beard confused I'm like "WOOT? rofl " I would look crazy with beard lol

And like Hadeel say i would look ugly razz

Do u think it is farz or sunnah to wear beard? =)


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Asalamoalakom I have a question is the beard a fard or Sunnat-e-Muakkadah and whatever answer is giving if you could please tell me what proof do you have I'm trying to tell somebody something and the only way to believe me is to see proof thanks and jazak allah khair
29-October-2009 - 11:23:21
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Dear Brother/Sister;

As it is known, beard is something that needs to be present in men due to fitra and is the sunnah of the previous prophets. In many hadiths, it is ordered that the beard be left in its natural form and be lengthened. There is no permission to shorten it. Islamic scholars and believers have adopted that natural state and applied it for centuries.

As it is understood from those hadiths, the Messenger of Allah grew a beard as other prophets did and advised us to grow beards. There is no recording that Hazrat Prophet and his companions shaved their beards. However, Hazrat Prophet (pbuh) clipped his beard at the bottom and on the sides. (Tirmidhi, Adab, 17). Imam Malik says, "A Muslim should grow his beard in the form that the majority of Muslims grow; he should cut the extra part; it is mandoob (recommended). If that extra part is not cut, it causes an ugly appearance. There is no limit in shortening the beard. The best way is to shorten it so that it will look beautiful. "He said, based upon an application reported from Imam Baji Abdullah Ibn Umar and Abu Hurayra that the extra part out of a handful could be cut.”

It is stated in Durrul-Muhtar that it is sunnah to have a handful of beard. Similarly, according to the opinion of the majority, it is sunnah to cut the extra part out of a handful.

Scholars have different opinions about growing, shortening and shaving the beard. According to some scholars, it is fard to grow a beard and it is haram to shave it; according to some, it is sunnah to grow a beard and it is makrooh (abominable) to shave it; others say it is mustahab (preferred) to grow. As for their evidence, the first opinion that says it is fard to grow a beard and it is haram to shave it belong to the majority of the scholars. Their evidence is mainly as follows:

a) Hazrat Prophet ((pbuh) ordered us to grow beards in a hadith. Orders are obligatory unless it is stated that they are mandoob or mubah (optional) . The order “Grow beards” necessitates it to be fard.

b) Likewise, Hazrat Prophet (pbuh) ordered us not to resemble polytheists or fire-worshippers. Saving the beard means resembling them. And it is haram.

c) Shaving the beard means changing what Allah created, which is mentioned in the 119th verse of Chapter an-Nisa. That act, which is carried out by obeying the devil, is forbidden.

d) Beard is a quality that discriminates men from women. Men who shave their beards resemble women. Our religion forbids men from resembling women.

However, some scholars who say that it is haram to shave the beard mean shaving the beard after deciding to grow a beard. Otherwise, it is not haram to shave the beard without deciding to grow a beard.

Those who have the opinion that to grow a beard is sunnah and to shave it is makrooh are people like Imam Nawawi, a Shafii scholar, Razi, Ghazzali, Sheikh Zakariyya al-Ansari, Ibn Hajar, Ramli, Hatib, Shirbini. Those who have that opinion say the following.

a) The order in the hadith does not make growing a beard fard because our Prophet (pbuh) also ordered to dye the hair so as not to resemble Jews and Christians but some companions did not dye their hair. That incidence shows that the orders like that do not show obligation.

b) It is haram to resemble polytheists in the issues relating to religion and belief. The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) put on sabots like the priests did. If it were definitely haram to resemble them in issues like that, Hazrat Prophet would have never done it.

c) If the issue is dealt with only in terms of resembling polytheists even if in the customs and traditions, contrarily, it will be concluded that growing a beard is haram because many priests and non-Muslims grow beard today.

d) The ten items that are listed as the sunnahs of prophets are regarded as sunnah or mustahab by most of the scholars. Since beard is one of them, it should be evaluated like that. The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) advised his umma the best customs. .

Those who say it is mustahab and customary sunnah to grow a beard and optional to shave it say the following: Growing a beard, eating, drinking, sitting, wearing clothes are the natural customs of the Prophet that he does because he is a human being. Therefore, growing a beard is not a sunnah related to worshipping but a sunnah that is done customarily. It is also called sunnah zawaid (customary sunnah). Some scholars of our time like Mahmud Shaltut and Muhammad Abu Zahra are of that opinion. Accordingly, it is virtuous to grow a beard but shaving the beard is permissible. If a person does not grow a beard or if he shaves his beard, no judgment against him is given. It will be appropriate to act in accordance with the environment one lives in.

As for the mustache, which is almost a part of the beard, there are some narrations from Hazrat Prophet about clipping the mustache so as to show the edge of the upper lip or cutting it all. According to the opinion that is the judgment is based on, it is sunnah to clip the mustache or to cut it all: The believer is free to do either way.

However, it is not regarded permissible to clip the sides of the mustache and leave a small amount in the middle. It is stated in the sharh (explanation) of Shir’a that Hazrat Umar lengthened both ends of his mustache and that there is no drawback to it.

(For the judgments, opinions and ijtihads about the beard and mustache, see Ibn Abidin, II, 113, V, 261; al-Mahhal, I,183-189; Shawkani, Naylul-Awtar, I, 137-138; al-Madhahibul-Arbaa, II, 44-46; Sharhu'n-Nawawi (Marginal notes of Irshadushshari), II, 261-265; Ianatu't-Talibin, II, 340; Fathu'r-Rabbani, XVII, 313-314; Mahmut Shaltut, al-Fatawa, 227-229; İslâmda Helal ve Haram, Yusuf al-Qardawi, (Trns. Mustafa Varlı), 107-109; Muhammad Abu Zahra, İslâm Hukuku Metedolojisi (Trns. Abdülkadir Şener), 51-52; Zakariyya Kandahlavi, Wujubu i'fail-Iihya).

Ahmet ARPA

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:05 am


The_Pathan
posting smile only wink

I guess i go eat sumthing, so i wont end like u xd

Haven't eaten for long time, like i'm fasting razz

what do u think about this song??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3vKMj2clh8


ps. it's not that good, but if u know hindi it's fine.


I Love this movie!!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:07 am


The_Pathan
Mashallah! now that's a avatar xd I didn't imagine you so gentle looking smile It's much better than the space ship 3nodding

how much gold do you have? smile (i personally got 200k which i can always get more off) wink


about 117k

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The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:16 pm


Cool smile

Well Sawariya ain't that good, only if u love the colour blue alot rofl

ehh, isn't this chatter-box? lolz razz

Yeah some say sunnah some say farz. i think it's just sunnah, cuz i need real prove, and i wanna know why no males wear beard then.

Are You online ?? lol
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:14 pm


The_Pathan
Cool smile

Well Sawariya ain't that good, only if u love the colour blue alot rofl

ehh, isn't this chatter-box? lolz razz

Yeah some say sunnah some say farz. i think it's just sunnah, cuz i need real prove, and i wanna know why no males wear beard then.

Are You online ?? lol


I was online...
did you read my above post??
men are supposed to wear beards if they are able to.. 'cuz you know some guys cant grow beards but yeah..

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dark__sunshin
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:17 am


i personally read it all wink
thnx sis..

do u get mad when u have headaches XD?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:34 am


Sooo mad!

Did you kill some one?

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The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:48 am


No, but I feel like doing to ninja

Jk razz

I did do it ofcurse 3nodding I just killed a bug this morning 3nodding I saw it in my bedroom, and my bedroom is not a garden, so i flushed it in the toilet razz And i think i killed a flower once, when i walked wink

Do u kill lotsa flowers when u walk on the grass? razz
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:44 pm


oh. sometimes. but usually i collect them but then died immediately. so may i kinda killed them. XD

when i walk on the grass i just hold at them and suddenly cut as i walk. XD i love cutting too or taking off the leaves from the hedges before in our school.. biggrin



have you ever date someone? (just curious) wink

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:52 am


Hell No xD

would u ever consider going out with a girl[if u are a boy]/with a boy[if u are a girl ] =P
PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:54 am


No, that wouldn't be gentle , hahah xd

I don't think it's musllim enough razz

Did You like the guild announcement???

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dark__sunshin
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:07 am


Good Answer =) ..

hehe..sure =P
y wouldn't i?? XD hehe
PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:23 am


no idea, lol

what is the topic with most posts in the guild? smile (it has like 1,5k posts, and that's alot.)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:53 am


i dont know really, but i dont want to surf all the topics. coz i feel sleepy.. but im sure it's only here in chatterbox.. most users post here. biggrin



how many posts do you have all in all here in the guild?
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