The Hangar

[AFK Masturbating]

I remember at one point, there was also supposed to be another X-wing-esque ship, called the Z-95 Headhunter, which made any an appearance in EU books. Are they no longer canon, what with the ARC-170s?

Also, I heard that Y-wings were supposed to have had another look, though their design was influenced in a way that their outer armor was removed so as to accomodate easier repairs and maintenance.  

[FrozenPhoenix32]

Angelic Celestia

I remember at one point, there was also supposed to be another X-wing-esque ship, called the Z-95 Headhunter, which made any an appearance in EU books. Are they no longer canon, what with the ARC-170s?

Also, I heard that Y-wings were supposed to have had another look, though their design was influenced in a way that their outer armor was removed so as to accomodate easier repairs and maintenance.

that's what pissed me off with the ARC 170's appearance, suddenly the Headhunter was made obsolete.  

[Durza the Shade]

Um, the X-wing designers combined the best of both worlds? There, problem solved.  

[FrozenPhoenix32]

Yeah it's like the explination for the DS. Combining Raith's ideas with the Geonosian ideas= Death Star Proto.  

[Sol Walker]

Raith? Raith sienar?  

[FrozenPhoenix32]

the one and only.  

[Nospai Deathous]

that's another thing that pisses me off. the DS was designed at the Maw by Bevel Lemelisk. not Geonosis by whomever.

BEVEL LEMELISK!!

and the ARC-170... gyar.

the X wing was designed by Incom, as you should all know. i quote:

"The T-65 X wing was the last starfighter design produced by Incom coproration before its siezure by the empire."

obviously, the ARC-170 and the T-65 are two totally different vehicles. the T-65 was produced when the rebel alliance already existed. obviously, the rebel alliance could not have existed before the empire. there'a huge time loop here that needs explanation.  

[Sol Walker]

Perhaps the x-wing is the conglomeration of the z-95's balance of speed and toughness with the Arc-170's impresive weapons payload and computing capacity.  

[Nospai Deathous]

Cale Darksun

Perhaps the x-wing is the conglomeration of the z-95's balance of speed and toughness with the Arc-170's impresive weapons payload and computing capacity.

no.

the ARC-170 is Lucas' dream of having a ship more closely resembling a WWII bomber in its operational capacity and finally having what he origionally wanted for the original X wing back in 1977 but couldn't due to filming and special-effects limitations.

the ARC is a multiple crew bomber. the Z-95 is a fighter. the two are totally different. the X wing more closely resembles the Z-95 in terms of operational capacity and general appearance. in fact, the X wing was based off of the Z-95, not the ARC. as it is, either the Z 95 or the ARC shouldn't exist, and since the ARC obviously does exist in Ep. III, it's pushed the Z-95 out of existence, screwing with a bunch of SW canon and EU stories.  

[Sol Walker]

uh huh. yeah. sure. just be a pessimist. ruin everyone's day.  

[Nospai Deathous]

Cale Darksun

uh huh. yeah. sure. just be a pessimist. ruin everyone's day.

gyar, it is considered a starfighter, somehow... but i don't see how.

with two gunners in a lengthened canopy, it is strikingly like the U.S. bombers in WWII, which served as the inspiration for much of the space battles.

but anyway... it's a decided step down in complexity from the Z-95. it just doesn't make sense. it would have to jump from a small fighter to an unnescessarily huge fighter, back to a small one again. i think it's just put in because lucas wants to. =/

which side uses it, anyway? seperatists, or NR?  

[Sol Walker]

what, the 170? the Republic. by association, I think the z-95 is too. but in the novelization of episode 1, they make a reference to the z-95. a gun runner is saying how good a ship it is as anakin listens in. if we take that as a reference, then what happened is as you say: they went small, big, then small. stupid yes?  

[Nospai Deathous]

Cale Darksun

what, the 170? the Republic. by association, I think the z-95 is too. but in the novelization of episode 1, they make a reference to the z-95. a gun runner is saying how good a ship it is as anakin listens in. if we take that as a reference, then what happened is as you say: they went small, big, then small. stupid yes?

yes. and now it really doesn't make sense. the republic becomes the empire. so, incom is always incorporated into what is essentially the empire. they couldn't really design the x wing, then.

gyar!!!

i feel as if a thousand voices cried out, and were suddenly silenced by the corruption of star wars canon.  

[FrozenPhoenix32]

I'm pretty sure Incom defected to the Rebellion...  

[Sol Walker]

no, just the x-wing desgin staff. Incom made the Howlrunner for the imperial reminant when the emperor was reborn.