Moral Justice?

[scintillio]

Mobius Nightshade

Damn straight.

xd  

[LanceCalvis]

Dammie-kins

I came to steal your heart away...
I came to steal your heart...

We have all seen people who thought they were doing the "right" thing by opposing someone who is being a "Tyrant" or a "Bully" but being a "Rebel" or "Renegade" any better than the "Tyrant" themselves? Is it just to be a "Freedom Fighter" and not Conforming to a society that promotes peace just as morally unsound? "Peace" has its own morality but what would it be like if there wasnt a "freedom fighter" or a radical "insurgant"?

(p.s.-I put it that way for a reason mobius so people would HAVE to compare them to realize the larger scale of the discussion)

...I walked away with a Soul Mate

...I walked away with a Soul Mate

I don't feel that such a thing. As a freedom fighter or anything like that is really needed. An attempt at reasoning should be attempted in all cases. But if the opposing faction refuses to listen to reason. Then forcing there hand is the best course of act. Those that will not listen to reason will listen to discipline. Sometimes you have to just hall off and smack someone. To make them step back and think things through. And if they do not they are a fool.  

[Mileena Chardonnay]

I'd still like to see Raito Yagami's point of view on this. xd  

[Zhadgon]

If someone wants to rebel for the unjustice in the system, it´s not only one person it will be more to put a real good fight, still will be for the high classes to begin the rebel becuase they are mad with the actual system and they want to form another to keep more power and freedom.
Not only that but the poor classes that join the rebel is because they have been promise with the hope of a better life, but the hard truth will be the same for them not really a better life or healthy, only the same suffer. So in the end no one is a real hero and no one is good or bad, only exist the selfish of the humanity to have more power or money.
.n_n.  

[Lady Rayya]

I suppose it would depend on the methods the anti took against the establishment......

violence? peace? who defines them for each person but they themselves... Mobius said it best, but apparently only he can retain his wonderful and terrifying balance.

Would anyone say that Ghandi was a terrorist for going on a hunger strike and protesting peacefully? I am sure there are those who would have that viewpoint, but they are in turn called the same nasty word by their opposers.

humans, eh?  

[LanceCalvis]

Quote:

who defines them for each person but they themselves...

Now this sentence right here. Has been the butt of many arguments I've had. It doesn't matter what a person thinks. And saying well other peoples opinions are just as valid as others isn't valid in itself. (That last statement was a common argument I've heard on this subject. So I figured I should shoot it down before someone brings it up). The only thing that really matters is are they really doing good. I guess you could figure this up by what the situation caused.

People standing on the sidewalk with signs protesting in front of a restaurant. Neutral (It is not harming anyone for those people to be standing where they are. Trying to make change happens).

The business starts to loose most of its business. Because people don't want to eat in a restaurant. That has people in front of it with signs. This isn't good (Despite what the people may be trying to do. There actions are inconveniencing both the owner of the shop and the people that like to eat there).

The police show up to break up the group of protesters. Justified (The customers and owner of the restaurant shouldn't be inconvenienced. By what some other people believe. Freedom of Speech doesn't give a person the freedom to be an idiot. At this point the protesters can leave the area. And find some other way to promote there idea. That doesn't inconvenience those around them. Or they can fight back which will give the police the right to use force within reason.  

[Mileena Chardonnay]

Reality is relative to the one percieving it. Just as a person having extreme hallucinations will have the injuries that imagined having, so too will justice be whatever it will be to a person. Just as a dowser believe their rods will work and finds water, so too can an unjust action be just to a person who sees it as just. Basic Carpenter's Theory, applied to idealism.  

[Lady Rayya]

unless the people were actively restraining people from going in, the owner can;t call the cops.... freedom of assembly on a public sidewalk. If they moved it to the parking lot... cops can then intercede...

even our laws are ambivalent about protestors...