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exploding-waffles

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:28 am
Stoic Socialist
Okay, maybe it'd work, but please, tell me...

Why would you risk killing you, your group, and buring down your building when:

You could have an AKM, 400 rounds of ammunition, and a 6 magazine chest rig for the same weight?

I understand the "cost-effectiveness".
Okay, I honestly don't.

Why are you worrying about cost-effectiveness, even if it's not true, when you could spend them same amount of time and find a firearm?

but that works under the assumption that there will be firearms to find.
guns WILL be the first things to be looted/bought in a class 3 or 4 outbreak (were all gonna die type)
so getting one will be much, much harder than finding a fire extinguisher.
flames also do not require a headshot to be lethal, can stay burning for a few seconds, and have a large area of fire.
again flamethrowers were never meant to be used nearby important structures or buildings, what they should be used for dispatching is extremely large, fairly closely grouped zombies
in unimportant areas when ammo, guns, or trained soldiers are scarce.  
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:46 am
exploding-waffles

but that works under the assumption that there will be firearms to find.
guns WILL be the first things to be looted/bought in a class 3 or 4 outbreak (were all gonna die type)
so getting one will be much, much harder than finding a fire extinguisher.
flames also do not require a headshot to be lethal, can stay burning for a few seconds, and have a large area of fire.
again flamethrowers were never meant to be used nearby important structures or buildings, what they should be used for dispatching is extremely large, fairly closely grouped zombies
in unimportant areas when ammo, guns, or trained soldiers are scarce.

Well, I guess I'd just like something usefull, and able to be used to take game... and be used anywhere I want.  

Stoic Socialist


Fresnel
Crew

Citizen

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:35 pm
Stoic Socialist
exploding-waffles

but that works under the assumption that there will be firearms to find.
guns WILL be the first things to be looted/bought in a class 3 or 4 outbreak (were all gonna die type)
so getting one will be much, much harder than finding a fire extinguisher.
flames also do not require a headshot to be lethal, can stay burning for a few seconds, and have a large area of fire.
again flamethrowers were never meant to be used nearby important structures or buildings, what they should be used for dispatching is extremely large, fairly closely grouped zombies
in unimportant areas when ammo, guns, or trained soldiers are scarce.

Well, I guess I'd just like something usefull, and able to be used to take game... and be used anywhere I want.
The only use I really see for a flamethrower is if the zombie requires full immolation in order to stop it from harming you. Otherwise, the cons outweigh the pros.  
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:39 am
Fresnel
Stoic Socialist
exploding-waffles

but that works under the assumption that there will be firearms to find.
guns WILL be the first things to be looted/bought in a class 3 or 4 outbreak (were all gonna die type)
so getting one will be much, much harder than finding a fire extinguisher.
flames also do not require a headshot to be lethal, can stay burning for a few seconds, and have a large area of fire.
again flamethrowers were never meant to be used nearby important structures or buildings, what they should be used for dispatching is extremely large, fairly closely grouped zombies
in unimportant areas when ammo, guns, or trained soldiers are scarce.

Well, I guess I'd just like something usefull, and able to be used to take game... and be used anywhere I want.
The only use I really see for a flamethrower is if the zombie requires full immolation in order to stop it from harming you. Otherwise, the cons outweigh the pros.

let us not forget that some headshots will not destroy the brain, while fire is garunteed to.  

exploding-waffles


Stoic Socialist

PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:02 am
Fire is guarranteed to burn the skin.
We don't know what the "zombie brain" is heat treated to.

Gasoline doesn't focus the power of the flame.
You want something like a shaped charge.
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:16 pm
Well, think for a second... what is it that makes flamethrowers deadly? Mostly, the massive amount of shock and trauma. Zombies would be slowed down by that, but it wouldn't kill them very fast. So you'd have to wait for the heat to make it's way to the brain, and that's gonna take a bit. Much better to put a slug through the skull, makes things a lot safer. And quicker. And efficient.  

Die Wahrheit

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OberFeldwebel

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:18 am
Flamethrowers are best for 'decon'.  
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:10 pm
OberFeldwebel
Flamethrowers are best for 'decon'.



If you mean incineration, then yeah.  

Die Wahrheit

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OberFeldwebel

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:15 pm
Bullethail
OberFeldwebel
Flamethrowers are best for 'decon'.



If you mean incineration, then yeah.


Fire cleanses all. twisted  
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:45 pm
WARNING:User Image

DO NOT, under any circumstances, use fire on a member of the undead horde.
While having a zombie chase you, trying to devour your head, the only worse thing is...

When a zombie DOESN'T DIE, IS ON FIRE, AND IS TRYING TO DEVOUR YOUR HEAD.
Neither Shock, nor awe effects zombies.
Trauma is laughable to a horde.
Setting them on fire will kill them...EVENTUALLY (possibly 30- 60 mins)
Their skin and blood no longer matters.
UNTIL the fire reaches either their muscles enough to disable all of their limbs, reaches the brain, or spine, THEY WILL NOT DIE.

That is all...have a nice day biggrin
 

Krilliad


Krilliad

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:54 pm
exploding-waffles
Fresnel
Stoic Socialist
exploding-waffles

but that works under the assumption that there will be firearms to find.
guns WILL be the first things to be looted/bought in a class 3 or 4 outbreak (were all gonna die type)
so getting one will be much, much harder than finding a fire extinguisher.
flames also do not require a headshot to be lethal, can stay burning for a few seconds, and have a large area of fire.
again flamethrowers were never meant to be used nearby important structures or buildings, what they should be used for dispatching is extremely large, fairly closely grouped zombies
in unimportant areas when ammo, guns, or trained soldiers are scarce.

Well, I guess I'd just like something usefull, and able to be used to take game... and be used anywhere I want.
The only use I really see for a flamethrower is if the zombie requires full immolation in order to stop it from harming you. Otherwise, the cons outweigh the pros.

let us not forget that some headshots will not destroy the brain, while fire is garunteed to.

What guarantee?
Fire has to burn through eerything else first, then the skin, and skull...
If it reaches that point, it has to be fueled. Then maybe reach the brain. neutral

Also, with the whole 'super soaker' s**t, what are you going to use for fuel?

Gas, petrol, carosine and I'm sure many other resources will be taken by looters, or people trying to flee from the horde.
And things like WD40 would be hard to find and eve more dangerous to extract liquid from gonk
 
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:52 pm
Battlefield Reaper
exploding-waffles
Fresnel
Stoic Socialist
exploding-waffles

but that works under the assumption that there will be firearms to find.
guns WILL be the first things to be looted/bought in a class 3 or 4 outbreak (were all gonna die type)
so getting one will be much, much harder than finding a fire extinguisher.
flames also do not require a headshot to be lethal, can stay burning for a few seconds, and have a large area of fire.
again flamethrowers were never meant to be used nearby important structures or buildings, what they should be used for dispatching is extremely large, fairly closely grouped zombies
in unimportant areas when ammo, guns, or trained soldiers are scarce.

Well, I guess I'd just like something usefull, and able to be used to take game... and be used anywhere I want.
The only use I really see for a flamethrower is if the zombie requires full immolation in order to stop it from harming you. Otherwise, the cons outweigh the pros.

let us not forget that some headshots will not destroy the brain, while fire is garunteed to.

What guarantee?
Fire has to burn through eerything else first, then the skin, and skull...
If it reaches that point, it has to be fueled. Then maybe reach the brain. neutral

Also, with the whole 'super soaker' s**t, what are you going to use for fuel?

Gas, petrol, carosine and I'm sure many other resources will be taken by looters, or people trying to flee from the horde.
And things like WD40 would be hard to find and eve more dangerous to extract liquid from gonk
Paint thinner, methanol, everclear... they'll all do fine.  

Fresnel
Crew

Citizen


OberFeldwebel

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:45 am
Fresnel
Battlefield Reaper
exploding-waffles
Fresnel
Stoic Socialist
exploding-waffles

but that works under the assumption that there will be firearms to find.
guns WILL be the first things to be looted/bought in a class 3 or 4 outbreak (were all gonna die type)
so getting one will be much, much harder than finding a fire extinguisher.
flames also do not require a headshot to be lethal, can stay burning for a few seconds, and have a large area of fire.
again flamethrowers were never meant to be used nearby important structures or buildings, what they should be used for dispatching is extremely large, fairly closely grouped zombies
in unimportant areas when ammo, guns, or trained soldiers are scarce.

Well, I guess I'd just like something usefull, and able to be used to take game... and be used anywhere I want.
The only use I really see for a flamethrower is if the zombie requires full immolation in order to stop it from harming you. Otherwise, the cons outweigh the pros.

let us not forget that some headshots will not destroy the brain, while fire is garunteed to.

What guarantee?
Fire has to burn through eerything else first, then the skin, and skull...
If it reaches that point, it has to be fueled. Then maybe reach the brain. neutral

Also, with the whole 'super soaker' s**t, what are you going to use for fuel?

Gas, petrol, carosine and I'm sure many other resources will be taken by looters, or people trying to flee from the horde.
And things like WD40 would be hard to find and eve more dangerous to extract liquid from gonk
Paint thinner, methanol, everclear... they'll all do fine.


I think that if something like that would happen, people would rather drink the everclear.  
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:41 pm
OberFeldwebel
Fresnel
Battlefield Reaper
exploding-waffles
Fresnel
The only use I really see for a flamethrower is if the zombie requires full immolation in order to stop it from harming you. Otherwise, the cons outweigh the pros.

let us not forget that some headshots will not destroy the brain, while fire is garunteed to.

What guarantee?
Fire has to burn through eerything else first, then the skin, and skull...
If it reaches that point, it has to be fueled. Then maybe reach the brain. neutral

Also, with the whole 'super soaker' s**t, what are you going to use for fuel?

Gas, petrol, carosine and I'm sure many other resources will be taken by looters, or people trying to flee from the horde.
And things like WD40 would be hard to find and eve more dangerous to extract liquid from gonk
Paint thinner, methanol, everclear... they'll all do fine.


I think that if something like that would happen, people would rather drink the everclear.
Yeah, but you won't be drinking the other two. However, it's easier to brew Everclear than it is to extract mineral spirits.  

Fresnel
Crew

Citizen


exploding-waffles

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:43 pm
Battlefield Reaper
WARNING:User Image

DO NOT, under any circumstances, use fire on a member of the undead horde.
While having a zombie chase you, trying to devour your head, the only worse thing is...

When a zombie DOESN'T DIE, IS ON FIRE, AND IS TRYING TO DEVOUR YOUR HEAD.
Neither Shock, nor awe effects zombies.
Trauma is laughable to a horde.
Setting them on fire will kill them...EVENTUALLY (possibly 30- 60 mins)
Their skin and blood no longer matters.
UNTIL the fire reaches either their muscles enough to disable all of their limbs, reaches the brain, or spine, THEY WILL NOT DIE.

That is all...have a nice day biggrin

right, but i dont see how a burning zombie is more dangerous than a normal one, as if your infected at all your pretty much dead.
also do you really think it would take 30 minutes to affect a zombie to the point of incapacitating it?
also, zombies are slow, why not simply ignite a zombie, flee, and wait?
burn zombies, find next group, ignite until there are no more zombies, wait 30 minutes/clean up the last batch with guns.  
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