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 Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:33 pm
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XeroRyn if Jesus is god why did he died...? N why do a god need a flesh?
he became flesh to show that the world needs to learn how to truly love. That yououldn't just go for the eye for an eye bullshit that the Jews and everyone else around them had been practicing for centuries. He died as an innocent man to bring us to salvation and to open the gates of heaven to the humans again. He redeemed us through his blood, sweat, and tears. It was His own choice to do it in this manner. I'm sure if the Lord God had a different way of doing things, He would have done so. This was the choice and plan that the Lord God had for us. and as Christians, we accept this wholeheartedly
Mat 16:26 For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?
This is the type of concept that God came in, as a weak human being, to teach humans that GOD IS LOVE. LOVE IS LIFE ITSELF. God became incarnate to interact with humans, as Jesus, he fulfilled the covenant with the Jews that he would send a Messiah to relieve their sufferings.
@ Pheonixia: did you actually read what I wrote? I said that Jesus is considered completely human and completely divine. You focus too much on the literate and not on matters of faith. I could just as easily come up with something about Muhammad hallucinating when you are talking about your own faith. If you're going to criticize my faith, at least do it in good taste with a sign of intelligence instead of making snide remarks.
Here's the full quote:
Mattew 16:25-27
Then Jesus told his disciples, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and forfeits his life? Or what shall a man give in return for his life? For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done.
...kit ugye verekszik részére? |
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:44 pm
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:46 am
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:20 pm
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ÉN verekszik részére Isten , országom és családom
One of many names of God. Still the same deity.
XeroRyn how come a father can be a son? Because you said that they are all the same..... and why dou you need god in three part as father son and holy spirit all i know in islam god is only GOD the numeral uno, the only one..dont need to be in so many parts
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congratulations, you have just asked one of the most difficult theological question in the Catholic doctrine.
I will try and give my best answer. As I'm still young in my knowledge of extensive Catholic doctrine, I'll try my best to explain to you.
God says of Jesus, "We have confirmed him in the Holy Spirit"
God without Word is expressionless; God without Spirit is lifeless. Thus, if God's Word and Spirit dwelt in Jesus, then to know Jesus in some way is to be aware of the living presence of God.
For you guys, the Qu'ran is the Word of God became a book; and according to us, Jesus is "the Word became flesh and lived among us"
For us, the trinity is three parts that became one. I suppose you could say they are the different aspects that make up God. That's how I was taught anyways. God the Caring father, God the obedient Son, and God the Wise Holy Spirit. It's all the same, really. They're not separate, but equal.
EDIT: Here is a metaphor used by St. Augustine (I think, in any case, it's an ancient explanation) to explain the concept of the trinity.
"The root is made of wood, the trunk is made of wood, and the branches are made of wood. These are not three separate woods, but one and the same. They are different aspects of the SAME THING"
Another modern one would be:
"A woman is a daughter to her parents. To an employer, she is a worker. To her husband, she is a spouse. Same woman, different perspectives."
...kit ugye verekszik részére?
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:56 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:45 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:25 am
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Ratri_Cat ÉN verekszik részére Isten , országom és családom
One of many names of God. Still the same deity.
XeroRyn how come a father can be a son? Because you said that they are all the same..... and why dou you need god in three part as father son and holy spirit all i know in islam god is only GOD the numeral uno, the only one..dont need to be in so many parts biggrin
congratulations, you have just asked one of the most difficult theological question in the Catholic doctrine.
I will try and give my best answer. As I'm still young in my knowledge of extensive Catholic doctrine, I'll try my best to explain to you.
God says of Jesus, "We have confirmed him in the Holy Spirit"
God without Word is expressionless; God without Spirit is lifeless. Thus, if God's Word and Spirit dwelt in Jesus, then to know Jesus in some way is to be aware of the living presence of God.
For you guys, the Qu'ran is the Word of God became a book; and according to us, Jesus is "the Word became flesh and lived among us"
For us, the trinity is three parts that became one. I suppose you could say they are the different aspects that make up God. That's how I was taught anyways. God the Caring father, God the obedient Son, and God the Wise Holy Spirit. It's all the same, really. They're not separate, but equal.
EDIT: Here is a metaphor used by St. Augustine (I think, in any case, it's an ancient explanation) to explain the concept of the trinity.
"The root is made of wood, the trunk is made of wood, and the branches are made of wood. These are not three separate woods, but one and the same. They are different aspects of the SAME THING"
Another modern one would be:
"A woman is a daughter to her parents. To an employer, she is a worker. To her husband, she is a spouse. Same woman, different perspectives."
...kit ugye verekszik részére?
if God is son that means there still is some supreme being whom HE obeys? god never obeys!
i wish your concept could be reshaped in a new religion which has a name of peace...
where Islamic God, Cristian God, and All other Gods of other religions are considered as one... but in different perspectives? |
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:00 pm
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tassan
if God is son that means there still is some supreme being whom HE obeys? god never obeys!
You're taking my words out of context.
Hmph, doesn't God answer your prayers?
Anyhow the concept of God the Son is meant to inspire people to BE OBEDIENT LIKE A SON
tassan i wish your concept could be reshaped in a new religion which has a name of peace...
Which Muslims wouldn't accept anyways, because anyone claiming to be a prophet after Muhammad is considered to be invalid.
tassan where Islamic God, Cristian God, and All other Gods of other religions are considered as one... but in different perspectives?
Pope John Paul has already cleared it with us Catholics that Jews, Christians, and Muslims pretty much worship the same God, just in different ways and is a different perspective on the omnipotence of God.
I was taught that in my religion classes...that the proof that God exists is through the sheer amount of religions that exist that believe in a higher power.
But people are still going to claim superiority over others' faith.
Muhammad does, Jesus claimed that he was here to reform the Jews, and well, Moses and Abraham kinda made it clear that Judaism was the only way for them.
I don't think there would be any possible way to blend all the elements into one dominant world religion. People have thought of that, but I don't think that's possible. There are too many theological conflicts to deal with for that to happen.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:07 am
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Ratri_Cat tassan
if God is son that means there still is some supreme being whom HE obeys? god never obeys!
You're taking my words out of context.
Hmph, doesn't God answer your prayers?
Anyhow the concept of God the Son is meant to inspire people to BE OBEDIENT LIKE A SON
you do not need to use big fonts to teach me i am getting the concept of what you are trying to say... and answering prayers doesn't come in obedience in my terms! he listens and replies never is he obedient.. though he does what he says
tassan where Islamic God, Cristian God, and All other Gods of other religions are considered as one... but in different perspectives?
Ratri_Cat Pope John Paul has already cleared it with us Catholics that Jews, Christians, and Muslims pretty much worship the same God, just in different ways and is a different perspective on the omnipotence of God.
I was taught that in my religion classes...that the proof that God exists is through the sheer amount of religions that exist that believe in a higher power.
But people are still going to claim superiority over others' faith.
Muhammad does, Jesus claimed that he was here to reform the Jews, and well, Moses and Abraham kinda made it clear that Judaism was the only way for them.
I don't think there would be any possible way to blend all the elements into one dominant world religion. People have thought of that, but I don't think that's possible. There are too many theological conflicts to deal with for that to happen.
i never get so pleased when somebody says that... when we do not even try then surely that will not be possible... |
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:19 am
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:49 am
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Ratri_Cat tassan i never get so pleased when somebody says that... when we do not even try then surely that will not be possible... reality strikes aain. Maybe when Islam will accept Hinduism as a valid faith as well as religions with multiple gods, goddesses and whatnot and all other faiths accept that.
Maybe when Muslim women can marry non-Muslims men.
When Catholics decide that the child doesn't have to be raised catholic when they have a Catholic wedding....
perhaps when all these things come to pass you might actually see a world religion.
Until then, I rest my case. It's not going to happen, and trying will go nowhere.
...kit ugye verekszik részére?
some how religion does not need that interference with each other... the equilibrium of standards will make the world peace... |
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:04 am
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:59 am
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XeroRyn now tri-unity now is that god as 3 parts or the 3 parts is god?
Tri-unity is a better term than Trinity. See, when the Christian church came up with this concept, some people were confused, and Muhammad got a warped answer that reflects in Islam today.
In layman's terms, it's three different aspects of the same God.
XeroRyn now why do you need to have god as the son? To be obedient you said but my opinion a God does not need to be obedient because there is no one to obey...as god is the almighty
I explained this previously REALLY badly, and for this I must apologize.
First off, the term "Son" is not taken literally. In fact, it's interpreted as logos, which is Latin for "Word". We believe that Jesus the Christ became God's Word incarnate, just as you believe the Qu'ran to be God's Word made into a book.
XeroRyn if He the son who i the father? to whom is he obedient? as a caring father a bit fine i guess
"Father" is derived from one of many Hebrew names from God which is "Elohim". It is a characteristic of a caring father who articulates "the Word", which is translated as "the Son".
XeroRyn and holy spirit..why must a spirit?
Holy Spirit is derived from yet another Hebrew word that is often mistranslated into English Bibles. That is the word "Ruah".
"Ruah" is a feminine characteristic of God. Like a mother caring for her children. Does God not show a tender love to His children, despite their mistakes, like a mother?
That is why is is an attribute of God.
I think the reason that God is even referred to as a "He" is because these are patriarchial religions. It would be much different had women dominated
To give a better visual, I'll sketch something out on Paint about the Trinity, which should be better known as the Tri-unity.
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:04 am
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:05 am
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