Ghost in the Shell

[Maesenko]

Lion the Broken Hearted

Must. . . resist. . .urge. . .to GAH I CAN'T TAKE IT! (rapid key hits on computer can be heard) I've always thought that Batou reminds me of a spider, and he has those eyes, does he have a robot body too, or is he the victim of a cyborg fantasy?

BTW... I love the fact she can become invisible or at least "cloaked" (the Major) when she is neked... >.>
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You do know that all of them can do that, even Togusa, right? It's thermal camouflage. Kusanagi just has it built into her prosthetic body.

And yes, Batou has full prosthetics as well. He was in a special Marine-type group before Section 9, which is where the ocular implants come from.  

[Wholefood Specialist]

Lion the Broken Hearted

Must. . . resist. . .urge. . .to GAH I CAN'T TAKE IT! (rapid key hits on computer can be heard) I've always thought that Batou reminds me of a spider, and he has those eyes, does he have a robot body too, or is he the victim of a cyborg fantasy?

BTW... I love the fact she can become invisible or at least "cloaked" (the Major) when she is neked... >.>
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OH YEAH! That was the first generation of the thermal disruption armor. They had to wear a body suit, not naked... Then in Second Gig they got it really perfected so they could wear full ballistics armor and still disrupt themselves.  

[Sephirob]

Teehee, ahh the original thermal optics stuff in the movie is most amusing. It's that Shirou hentai tendency leaking through again, bless the man. I like it better that the Major would stealth kick the crap out of you naked, or indeed sneak up on a tank that way as well. wink I can't fault Shirou for his vision in many ways...  

[Wholefood Specialist]

That guy was a visionary. Honestly... to construct the perfect woman like that... was just remarkable. Then to put all the other men on her team around her and ogle her every second... the show was more like a Brothel than an actual government building LOL!  

[Sephirob]

Bahaha that's true. The Major rules. And so does Shirou. =D

He really is a genius too, and believe it or not, his forte is technical art and design! He has designed real world guns and aircraft, even concept cars, and they have been built o,0 That's why he actually doesn't have any active manga projects (beyond the hentais, which I'm betting he does just for fun wink ) because he is working for big time companies as a designer. o,0 Now thats some mad skills.  

[Wholefood Specialist]

Sephirob

Bahaha that's true. The Major rules. And so does Shirou. =D

He really is a genius too, and believe it or not, his forte is technical art and design! He has designed real world guns and aircraft, even concept cars, and they have been built o,0 That's why he actually doesn't have any active manga projects (beyond the hentais, which I'm betting he does just for fun wink ) because he is working for big time companies as a designer. o,0 Now thats some made skills.

Finally someone that understands TRUE Otakuness LOL! Getting your rocks off on the artwork because it is so amazingly well done!!!!  

[Sephirob]

That I do. Though I dunno if I want to take true otakusnesss as a compliment... My social life sucks as is right now.

But yes, I do 'get off' on the artwork. Hence my love of manga more than anime. I love to see the hand of the mangaka directly. They're all unbelievable artists that I envy and love to death o,0

Shirou isn't my favorite though, I must say... Hagiwara Kazushi is the man. He even out does Shirou on the count of sexy lady characters, and total BADASS male ones. No joke. He has done only two series, but he's been doing b*****d!! for l20 years now, started in '88. He is an artistic god who has gotten better with every single chapter with his art skills. He does the most breath-taking stuff I have ever seen.

Anyway... yes yes, art... give me killer art...  

[Sound Of A Girl Hatching]

i really like it! i heard that they might make a life actin one! hope they do it would be cool.  

[Sephirob]

Live action ghost...? Oh dear. No no... Please no.. I hope that's not right... There is nothing wrong with its present incarnations at all o,0 Especially the movies that already are out for it...

There was a trend in Hollywood to remake anime as live action big-budget junk... but it seems to have blown over without producing too many horrific abominations... Battle Angel was one, but even Hokuto no Ken was optioned...

They were also going to do Evangelion. An American company, with the intention of lots of CG... can you see why that would be a disaster? *shudder twitch convulse* Thank the kami that it died out, apparently...  

[Sound Of A Girl Hatching]

here is what is going on with Eva"
Development of a live-action movie version of Neon Genesis Evangelion was announced in May 2003 by the Houston-based anime distributor ADV Films, who holds worldwide rights to the series outside of Asia and Australia. The film will be made by ADV, Gainax, and Weta Workshop Ltd.. Its release is currently projected to occur at any time ranging from as early as 2009 to as late as 2015. In December 2005, Fortune Magazine reported in an article about ADV Films that it had raised "about half of the $100 million to $120 million" needed to produce the film.[4] It's not completely clear if this money was raised by ADV alone or if part of that amount was contributed by Gainax.
As of August 2008, the project is considered to be in "development hell", as a director has yet to become available or announced officially. In a panel discussion at Tekkoshocon on April 2, 2006 featuring Matt Greenfield and wife Tiffany Grant, many aspects of the project were revealed.[5] Greenfield recalled that Weta approached ADV about a live-action Eva movie after completing work on The Lord of the Rings film trilogy, but work was delayed by King Kong and The Chronicles of Narnia. It was revealed that three described "A-list" directors and several celebrities had approached the project, rather than the other way around, and the slug script was written by a writer of several other well-known science fiction movies (though this is subject to be rewritten and tailored to the director's vision). Greenfield also reiterated his belief that they did not want to make the movie for profit, but because they wanted to do it and have it done it right (as with Lord of the Rings), and promised effort toward a trilogy of Evangelion films (as opposed to trying to condense the story into one film and lose vast amounts of material), similar again to the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
At Anime Expo 2008, ADV founders Matt Greenfield and John Ledford, in response to a question over the progress of the live action movie, revealed they had hired the producer for Appleseed Ex Machina and pitched the idea to other producers such as Jerry Bruckheimer and Steven Spielberg. They went on to say that interest in the project had been boosted by the success of the 2007 film Transformers.[

i was at the one panel! makes me feel happy, the tekkoshocon one. But if that wasn't long enough i have more info you. but it's for Ghost in the shell.

"As of 2008, DreamWorks acquired the rights to produce a live-action film adaptation of the original manga with Steven Spielberg tipping the scales in DreamWorks favor. So far, Avi Arad and Steven Paul are confirmed producers and Jamie Moss will be adapting the manga into a screenplay."  

[Sephirob]

PFffttttt. Didn't want to do it for profit? ... BAHAHAHAHA...

Thats the biggest bunch of junk i've ever heard. Aim number one of any movie is to make money. Aim number two is to do something artistic/please fans/actually adapt something good from an existing work/whatever directors or producers want for their project. You don't make big budget, fancy FX laden movies just for the fun of it, a project of that scale costs waaaay too much.

"Well knowns" and "a-lists" aboard just mean its going to even more be about how to make things profitable, cause all their costs just went up even more, and losses must be recouped. Those guys must reallllly be feeling fan pressures to say something like that.

"Do it, and do it right" is the catch phrase of the industry right now. It's the tagline for every adaptation from Max Payne to Watchmen, and Spirit.

And by the Kami, they better keep Bruckheimer the hell away from it... It's going to suck regardless I'd bet, but with him anywhere near it, it'll be even worse...

Thats so horribly terrifying... Here I was hoping things had died out. I think a bit of me just died. However, they're pushing Appleseed first... Maybe that will tank and they'll never get around to EVA... Heh, James Cameron was the one interested in Battle Angel, so Spielburg sniffing around for Ghost... sheesh... Why is Hollywood about remaking things that have no need of being remade into any medium... ? >,<  

[Wholefood Specialist]

Ouch... harsh

True... but harsh >_<  

[Maesenko]

Sephirob

Why is Hollywood about remaking things that have no need of being remade into any medium... ? >,<

Because as a whole, the people like us (not Otakus, smart individuals) are becoming arguably "pissed-off" at Hollywood, so they try to turn things we like into the same things that other people (idiots) like. As we saw right through that anyway, and they had already made too much progress to scrap and/or stop pre-production, they have no choice but to go through the finish line and try to make back some of their lost money, even at the expense of a crappy last ~30min of film.

~Mae  

[Sound Of A Girl Hatching]

i kind of disagree, i mean because they are A-list they can do it they way they want with out damaging there career , plus they are already rich so why should they care that much about profit. I guess i am just a glass half full kind of person but still. Plus i don't think japan will tell them ruin it, or even Matt greenfield for that mater.

plus i mean like the Batman movies weren't bad, but they were made by DC, and there have been DC comic made in to movie that DC didn't have part of, and they sucked so once again being glass half full i think as long as they have the right people involved with making the movie it will be great.  

[Sephirob]

Movies are rarely about individual profit except for ze Actors. They get paid regardless of what happens, though of course, reputation is a big deal. A bad movie can sink your career and end you up out of work, so for them, they have more leeway to do some risky things at times.

This is not true for a movie crew. A movie's profit has to help pay a TON of people. As a result, its not the A-lists who suffer. As such an A-list can say whatever they want to say. A studio puts out millions on a big movie, that majority pays the main actors, buys the sets, FXs, and pays back the producers and other backers, and the director. The very small amount left then pays the crews. Grips, gaffers, lightening and sound techs, set-builders, etc, and anyone else involved.

A-list producers and directors, must, as a necessity, be very concerned about movie costs versus movie profits. They earn the directing position by being mostly cost effective, which comes from organization, management skills. Some directors don't do this and run wildly over budget, and end up being banished from mainstream because they never will turn a profit.

The bottom line, the only people who don't do things for profits in movies are:

Extras. They don't get paid period, usually. They're fans. They often get a complimentary lunch for shooting days, but thats all.

Yeah Batman is great, its a good translation of an *american* comic, done by *americans* for one, and hey, I love it but lets face it: Batman is far, faaaar less complex then Evangelion. At best, this kind of adaptation is pretty much fan fiction. When a fan doesn't write the script though, then you get the horror that is bad adaptations. However, yes, when they do it, right, you get the Dark Knight, and even Batman Begins. Those go beyond fan-fiction into recreating and reminding us why we loved it.

I do not think anyone can do that with Eva. I don't even think most studios would dare to put the rather sacrilegious stuff into it either, for a start, or stay true to the themes, and so on. Eva has a very complex religious sentiment, and its one the majority of the American public would not respond to in a happy way... so I bet they will neuter the hell out of, and turn it into a more "smart, savy kids in giant robots versus space aliens" thing.