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Well damn. Then you can't accurately predict exactly what men and women will do. Or a woman without a piece of cloth on her head. Which means that you don't need the hijab.

Yeah. It's called living in the desert of the southwest. rolleyes

Nope. Not unless I was waltzing around in the jungle. Which is far from civilization. Or in a forest. I'd be more curious to figure out what type of snake it was; rattlesnake, kingsnake, ect. I'd like to see if I'm actually justified for my fears. And if a rattlesnake rattles, I heed it's warning and stay away.
Give me a better example. stare

I protect myself from idiot men by carrying a knife, a taser and pepper spray. I find that to be much more convincing and far better protection. You're talking to someone who has dealt with stalkers before. And they don't come back for seconds.

Where is this going? Seriously?

ZOMG!!! heaven help us if a man cannot have a sexual feeling!!!
rolleyes
I suppose you expect all people to act asexual until marriage? There will be a lot of people in hell then if that's the case. Wonderful loving merciful God help me if I feel biological impulses in my mind because I saw a sexy man down the street. Or a hot Army officer.

Reality check. Ain't gonna happen.


Yet your Allah fails to give a real reason for a hijab, except for human vague promises of foreboding. stare
I get it, don't half a** your religion. Understandable. However, the hijab part...nope.

Allah knows...not you or anyone else of the future. Why predict all this potential malady unless it's to scare people to keep them in line?

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that's pretty depressing outlook on life. I know God tests, but there's a reason for that, and with this "hijab" being a test...yeah sounds pointless to me unless you actually give a real reason.
So...testing us without a valid reason...that's what Allah teaches? That's the goal of life? Wow...yup, you really haven't presented a valid point yet. I'm still waiting.

It's simple.....

People care too much about what others think about them. And everyone has a strange imagination about what others might think about them.

I don't see your point? What other method is there to cover your neck, hair, and ears at the same time?

twisted It's just difference in opinion. For example, I can say that I would most definitely find it irritating in the morning if I had to groom myself perfectly every morning to make myself look appealing to others. What a waste of time........

I sleep while others get up at like 6:00am to straighten their hair, etc. And I don't want to change that.

Because I wear the Hijab I can just tie my hair in a messy knot and not care what people think about me.

Besides that perk there are many other worldly perks that a person get for wearing the hijab.

For example, when it is super cold outside and other people ears are freezing I just (laugh inside) because my ears are not freezing at all because of the "cloth" I wear on my head.

I know that if a guy choose's to marry me, it will be less likely that he will pick me for my outer beauty but because he likes my inner beauty.

I have more self esteem, because whereas modern society (through media) emphasizes outer beauty so much as a means of being cool, or people liking you, I know that people will like me even if I don't have the hottest hair on the block. (And I am not saying that people can only get self esteem by wearing a cloth on their heads).

I get to be DiFfErent. I dislike how the majority of society decides to conform to one trend. I like individuality.

I don't know about other societies but people in Canada (Calgary) respect my religious outlook on life more. For example, in a crowded train/bus people will move over to give me room so we are not touching.

Because I wear a scarf, people wonder more about my religion and ask questions. So, by wearing a scarf I can correct people's bias's about my religion, and also spread religious teachings.

Haha and there are many more.

And for the people that say that a big reason Muslim females wear the hijaab is to be chaste I want to inform you that you are wrong.

In Arabic culture females only wear a hijaab as a means of cultural identity. I see TOO many Arabic females on the street that have a hijaab and at the same time wear loads of makeup and tight clothes. That is not chastity. I also see the other extreme, aka females who wear a hijaab and spend most of their time flirting with guys. But, that does not necessarily mean that there are not Arabic females who wear it for religious reasons.

I also know many people who wear the hijaab and don't know anything about Islam even though they were raised up in an Islamic atmosphere.....(I mean more then the basics). And there are also those who wear the hijaab only because they are forced to.

Other reasons besides being chaste include: they have a distorted image of why it is necessary for people to wear the hijaab. So they wear it.

I also see people in my community who know they should wear a hijaab and when they see me looking at them the feel all guilty and pretend I can't see them, and run away. I'm sorry I don't really care about those people, I'm not going to go and tell everyone that so and so does not abide by rules. That's what they have to separately figure out with God.

In my personal opinion, the BIGGEST reasons why a woman should wear a hijaab is so that she can 1) obey God's commandment, 2) not care about unnecessary societal pressures, 3) feel a connection with God and the religion of God, etc.

For example, Sikhs wear a turban...not to show chastity or anything but as a means to become connected more to their religion, and to become more religious. Muslim woman should have a similar view/aim, aka to increase in connection to their faith and to become more religious (to go out and gain more religious knowledge), etc.



I agree with Ratri cat somewhat. I want to mention a incident that happened in Calgary though. A man got convicted for rape.........and when asked why did you do it.......he replied "because she was asking for it.....aka because she was dressed like a slut"

A piece of cloth is not the only factor that stops rape and other things from happening....but is one of the factors. A man is more likely to rape a woman who turns him "on" sexually (by looking hot, etc.) then one who covers herself and acts modest. Though a modest woman can get raped too. But, personally my view is that if a modest woman who covers herself gets raped it probably has very little to do with her being alone, etc. and more to do with racist thoughts.

But, in this topic I would like to mention one more thing. I learned in my sociology class that people are more likely to be murdered/raped by people who know them, and less likely to be raped/murdered by total strangers.......which are the statistics for western society. And another thing to be kept in mind is that things like rape usually occur in a high alcohol/drug environment.



Except a fact is that in the Bible it is written that chaste woman should cover their heads as well.....so this was not only made as a rule for Muslim women. But, if you are not Muslim......I don't see at all why you should force yourself to wear the "piece of cloth" on your head.



Agreed.



Actually we do not beleive this. Wearing the hijaab is one of the lesser lesser commandments. The HUGE commandments are "praying" and "doing good onto man/woman"



My individuality would be destroyed. crying

Your point is close to correct. God created Humans weak.

Why should God have faith in human self control? Humans don't have a lot of self control and this is a fact of history. For example, many Prophets were sent to the Jews and the Jews knew what was good for them and what wasn't but the persisted in idolatry. And also.......Christians decided they would ascribe a son to God (who does not need a son since he is perfect). Also, the fact is that God has sent MANY prophets to mankind, but because of their weak self control they made changes in their religion and then started hating people of other religions. And self control? Seriously you can't be serious. If people had self control then in the west obesity wouldn't be rapidly increasing. Also, (since I don't want to bash other religions only) low self control = the deterioration of Muslim states in MANY aspects.

If humans had self control.....wow this would be such a wonderful world.

God KNOWS that humans don't have a lot of self control (but can develop it if they try) so that is why the Qur'an has promised to believers that in every single century there will be a Prophet to guide them to the right path.



Please stop pushing your views (or Christian views) on Muslims. We do not believe what you believe.

The Bible states that man was created in God's image........I am not aware of a single quote wear the Qur'an says this. The Qur'an says that from all of Gods creations man is the most perfect.

Also, "man is inherently evil" is a Christian belief (maybe not the majority) and not a Muslim belief. It is the Christian belief that because Adam and Eve ate from the tree sin was created for all of mankind and thus was inherited from them. And so the future progeny's of Adam would be sinful. And Jesus would need to be murdered to save mankind from this eternal sin.....blablablablabla. So what you said.......should be reflected on........it was not proposed by the OP but is what your own religion teaches you.

Muslims believe that every child that is born is born sinless and is born as a perfect Muslim........later on society and parents make the children sinful, and change their religion (e.g. make them Hindu, Jewish, etc.).



There's a simple logical reason for this. Why should men that are intelligent have to molest women anyways? They can just go purchase prostitutes illegally, charm women through false promises or a false personality, or go to strip clubs and watch woman dance almost naked.

After WWI society degraded a lot. The number of men drastically decreased whereas the number of women stayed the same. Women found out that in order to get a guy they had to urge him with sex, or something close to sex. Guys started going around having sex with many women before they even settled down. This practice is still working in today's society.



No. Unless it is followed by actions.



So does Islam. But a difference is in Chrisitanity people are still deciding that so and so verse is abrogated whereas Muslims do not do this. So Christians may think that what they are following is clear-cut only because everything that they "think" is not abrogated is accepted by the majority. Who decided what rules were to be followed and which weren't anyways? It wasn't God in Christianity it was men. But, I agree that the OP did not provide clear reasoning as to why one should or should not wear the hijaab. And Muslims are not Prophets...........if they were Islam would not be in the condition it is in today.....

I liked this example much better........but still you cannot generalize the whole population or gender.

I ahve also seen those disgusting type of guys. I will be standing at the bus stop minding my own business and they will drive by and turn their head a whole 90 degree's to look at me. I feel like shouting "What the heel is wrong with you!"

Though I find that this practice happens mostly in Arabic/brown guys. Most of the white guys at uni that I have met are decent.

If they aren't indecent areas, why do they need to be covered?

Ok, ok, maybe we shouldn't get christianity or any other religon in this thread. We are just disscussing why Hijab is in the world.

As you said Ratri, I didn't convince you.

But Hijab is just to state that ( Men, you are not allowed to look at me, and even though you look at me, you can't see anything, so just go back to Allah, and seek for his forgivness )
I know, this sacrifice thing, why should we be sacrificing ourselves?
But is it that important to look pretty and do make up and do hair dos and whatever? Is it really important? Even when I didn't wear Hijab, I thought, girls are really stupid, they like, do whatever to look pretty. There's more than in life than that. Frankly, I'd like to be pretty to myself, there's no need that I should show it for the whole world. And I'm not saying that Hijab makes us really ugly. I think the total opposite, girls look more pretty in Hijab. I like myself better in Hijab. And I wouldn't take it off for the world. You may not understand this Ratri, because you haven't experienced what is Allah's love to muslims, and especially those who have lots of faith. Frankly, when I'm asking Allah to forgive me, I feel that I'm on the top of universe, and I feel that Allah is hearing me, and he's loves me being near to him, believing in him. I truely love Allah! I'd do anything for him. I want to sacrifice myself to him. So, Hijab isn't something big I'm doing for Allah. After all it's his command.

One more thing, I love to be pretty yes, at parties, I wear pretty clothes, I take off Hijab, I wear make up ( Light ). I love to go to parties, and dance with my friend. But of course, if it was with men, I wouldn't do that. It's not like, you're in this forever, can't you have fun without having to wear make up everyday, and do your hair? Can't you just have fun, and feel pretty, when your friends just come over?