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It's a 9mm.
They should have never abstained from the 1911 in .45.

Hell, if they don't want 1911s anymore the SIG 220 comes in .45 ACP.
They decided to go from big caliber-low capacity to small caliber-high capacity. The M9 is 15+1, the 1911 was only 7+1. A 9mm has plenty of umph to get the job done if you put a decent round in it, not that shitty FMJ stuff the military uses.


Alright then.
They should give them, +P, +P+ or some s**t then.

Or can the M9 not handle that?
I have heard from a friend in the .mil that the M9 has a tendency to kB! from overuse. The slide cracks in half and catches you in the face on the way back. I wouldn't trust it with +P+. Even so, a frangible round or a hydra-shock or something would certainly have a better kill ratio than the ball they have now. Even if they have to stock up with a s**t-ton of it, they can use it on the next war we have against a Hague non-signer. The Taliban never signed, the Somalians never signed, the VC, the NVA, the North Koreans... I'd bet the last time we fought an enemy that signed the Hague convention was WW2.


Ah, so their alloy frames are fickle too.

Another reason to go back to the 1911.
Or you know, something with a steel frame.
*cough*SIG*cough*

Oh, excuse me.

But seriously, a SIG 2XX in 9mm has 10 or 15 rnd magazines, steel frame, a rail, f***ing night sights, was designed for the US Army (at least the 226 was).

The only fault that hit the SIG was the Nitron Finish, some batches were ******** up and could cause damage because of offset measurements or what have you.
They've fixed that now I believe.
I actually ran across a military designation for the 228 earlier today. It's officially the M11 pistol. Used by Air Marshals, the USCG, Immigration, the DIA, the Secret Service, the National Park service, and the Navy SEALs.

EDIT: ooh, says here that the 228 and the Beretta 92 were direct competitors in the bid to replace the 1911, and were the only two to complete the trials satisfactorily. The 92 was chosen because two 228s broke during the trials, and the 92 had a cheaper package price (including magazines and spare parts). The SEALs opted to go for the 228 after several "catastrophic slide failures" with M9s.


I wonder how those Sigs broke.
The bad Nitron finish?

Huh, apparently this is a list of the Countries, Agencies and armed forces that use Sigs;

Sig Sauer 226/229


[edit] P226
United States
Defense Intelligence Agency
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
United States Navy SEALs (P226 Navy under the designation of Mk 24 Mod 0)
U.S. Coast Guard

United Kingdom
SAS
British Armed Forces under the designation L105A1
Canada
Canadian Forces Military Police, JTF-2 and Naval Boarding Parties.
France
GIGN
Ireland
Irish Army Rangers
Emergency Response Unit (Garda)
Iran
Adopted it for use under license by Defense Industries Organization as the ZOAF and, currently, as the PC9 pistol
Indonesia
Gegana
Kopassus
Kopaska
Denjaka
Detasemen Bravo
Israel
Sayeret Duvdevan
Japan
Special Assault Team
Japan Ground Self-Defense Force & Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force as Minebea P9.
Malaysia
General Operations Forces
New Zealand
New Zealand Army
Slovenia
Slovenian Army (ESD - Special Forces)
Singapore
Singapore Armed Forces
Spain
Grupo Especial de Operaciones (GEO)
Sweden
Swedish Police
Venezuela
Fuerza Armada Nacional

[edit] P228
Albania
RENEA
United Kingdom
SAS
Canada
Service de police de la Ville de Laval
Japan
Special Assault Team
Special Security Team
Malaysia
General Operations Forces
Sweden
Swedish Police
United States
United States Navy SEALs (Under designation as the M11)[6]
United States Army Criminal Investigation Command
United States Naval Criminal Investigation Service
United States Navy, Naval Aviation
United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations
Delta Force (Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta)
Task Force 11
United Arab Emirates
Abu Dhabi Police
Abu Dhabi Police SWAT Team
UAE Special Forces
UAE Army
Dubai Police SWAT Team

[edit] P229
United States
United States Naval Criminal Investigation Service (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
United States Department of Homeland Security
Federal Air Marshal Service (.357 SIG)
United States Coast Guard (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
United States Secret Service (.357 SIG)
United States Department of State - Diplomatic Security Service (P229 Rail 9 mm)
United States Federal Reserve Police (.40 S&W) May have used. Federal Reserve (Federal Protection) are now seen with the S&W M&P (.40)
United States Postal Inspection Service - Postal Inspectors (P229R DAK .40 S&W)

The P225 was OK'd by the German Police and was issued under the designation P6.
o.O