Neo-Nazism in Russian

[village midget]

Hydra Alpharius

The Curse

Hydra Alpharius

The Curse

Dio is more or less correct.

Russia is dealing with national economic stress (strengthened by this crisis, but alive since early into the Cold War) and there is a lot of ethnic tensions between native Russians and the influx of refugees and migrants, especially from poorer neighbouring states like Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Then, there is the civil war that recently just ended for the second time between Russia and the Muslim province of Chechnya within Russia's borders. This has caused a lot of hatred for Muslims not unlike what the US has built over the past eight years since September 11, 2001.

The Neo-Nazi's largely believe that Russia could benefit more from cultural homogeny and strict anti-immigration policies, to ensure Russian money doesn't get sent back to Uzbekistan. In other words, they are like your own British National Party, but more extreme and alongside political movements, it also has extensive networks of gangs that commit racially charged violence.

Ross Kemp on gangs did an interesting episode on Russian Neo-Nazi's I would recommend to any interested in exploring that aspect.

I see, but the fact that they use the Nazi symbol for their cause is slightly retarded.

Oh and do you have the link to it?

I found this: http://thestudyofracialism.org/about3186.html&highlight=

But I didn't check it out. They're a list of youtube videwos to the NeoNazi's episode.

It'll probably total around 45 minutes.

Thanks man.

(btw the youtube you linked to in the op is part of the ross kemp thing wink )

everything curse said in his first post sounds like the circumstances i remember reading in history lessons which lead to the rise of Hitler after WW1 - severe economic ressession, civil war, mistrust of neighbouring countries, religious/cultural prejudice, xenephobia, racism, basically fear born out of poverty and misplaced ideas regarding the solution to economic and political problems fuelled by ignorance.

i would hazard a guess that the swastika is being used because no central leader with the same charisma or political presence has emerged in Russia presently to form/lead their own movement. so Hitler and the Nazis remain the symbolic figurehead - happily for us the rest of the world is suitably horrified by the connotation so these guys will not get to rise to power.  

[Archaic Thought]

village midget

Hydra Alpharius

The Curse

Hydra Alpharius

The Curse

Dio is more or less correct.

Russia is dealing with national economic stress (strengthened by this crisis, but alive since early into the Cold War) and there is a lot of ethnic tensions between native Russians and the influx of refugees and migrants, especially from poorer neighbouring states like Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Then, there is the civil war that recently just ended for the second time between Russia and the Muslim province of Chechnya within Russia's borders. This has caused a lot of hatred for Muslims not unlike what the US has built over the past eight years since September 11, 2001.

The Neo-Nazi's largely believe that Russia could benefit more from cultural homogeny and strict anti-immigration policies, to ensure Russian money doesn't get sent back to Uzbekistan. In other words, they are like your own British National Party, but more extreme and alongside political movements, it also has extensive networks of gangs that commit racially charged violence.

Ross Kemp on gangs did an interesting episode on Russian Neo-Nazi's I would recommend to any interested in exploring that aspect.

I see, but the fact that they use the Nazi symbol for their cause is slightly retarded.

Oh and do you have the link to it?

I found this: http://thestudyofracialism.org/about3186.html&highlight=

But I didn't check it out. They're a list of youtube videwos to the NeoNazi's episode.

It'll probably total around 45 minutes.

Thanks man.

(btw the youtube you linked to in the op is part of the ross kemp thing wink )

everything curse said in his first post sounds like the circumstances i remember reading in history lessons which lead to the rise of Hitler after WW1 - severe economic ressession, civil war, mistrust of neighbouring countries, religious/cultural prejudice, xenephobia, racism, basically fear born out of poverty and misplaced ideas regarding the solution to economic and political problems fuelled by ignorance.

i would hazard a guess that the swastika is being used because no central leader with the same charisma or political presence has emerged in Russia presently to form/lead their own movement. so Hitler and the Nazis remain the symbolic figurehead - happily for us the rest of the world is suitably horrified by the connotation so these guys will not get to rise to power.

Or maybe conditions will arise in the weaker former Bloc countries, say, crushing recession, or a humiliating defeat from the Russian army in a "Peace keeping mission" Either way, I really don't see someone rising to Hitler's threat level, but it will mean one more petty despot in the world.  

[Fresnel]

mistercombine

Kats Scratches

And if I say to you that I wanted to, know that I lied

What a bunch of dumbasses. My family line is a product of the ******** nazi's and their concentration camps*, the idea of anyone descending from Russian/Ukranian blood supporting Neo-nazism is really bizarre to me, and disrespectful to their families.

*My grandmother was held in a concentration camp, she came out with schizophrenia and a child- anyone want to take a guess what happened to her?

You could be right

I gotta say, my Grandfather was actually a German soldier during World War II. Hated the Nazi party, but, he was conscripted, so, what could he do? Ended up becoming a POW, then immigrated to the US. Became very vocal about the Nazis, wanted 'em hung with a piano wire noose, really.

Reminds me of a scene from Band of Brothers. American paratrooper's taunting a group of German POWs, and leans over in one's face and says, loudly,
"Top 'o the mornin' to ya! And where are YOU from, laddie?"
"Eugene, Oregon."
O_O "...No s**t? I grew up not fifteen miles from there."

Don't know how that relates, but it did in my head... somehow.  

[Kats Scratches]

mistercombine

Kats Scratches

And if I say to you that I wanted to, know that I lied

What a bunch of dumbasses. My family line is a product of the ******** nazi's and their concentration camps*, the idea of anyone descending from Russian/Ukranian blood supporting Neo-nazism is really bizarre to me, and disrespectful to their families.

*My grandmother was held in a concentration camp, she came out with schizophrenia and a child- anyone want to take a guess what happened to her?

You could be right

I gotta say, my Grandfather was actually a German soldier during World War II. Hated the Nazi party, but, he was conscripted, so, what could he do? Ended up becoming a POW, then immigrated to the US. Became very vocal about the Nazis, wanted 'em hung with a piano wire noose, really.

And if I say to you that I wanted to, know that I lied

I play piano, keep your hands off my wires!

I understand the situation of your grandfather. He was likely not the kind of soldier to have done what was done to my grandmother. It's unfair to say that every single german soldier was a horrid beast, but in the grand scheme of things, he's in the sparkling minority.

Although perhaps under the pressure of other soldiers he was forced to do things he truly hated. We could be related.

You could be right

 

[Archaic Thought]

Fresnel

Reminds me of a scene from Band of Brothers. American paratrooper's taunting a group of German POWs, and leans over in one's face and says, loudly,
"Top 'o the mornin' to ya! And where are YOU from, laddie?"
"Eugene, Oregon."
O_O "...No s**t? I grew up not fifteen miles from there."

Don't know how that relates, but it did in my head... somehow.

Yeah, remindd me of that too. Except the reverse. (He spoke with the bare traces of an accent.

Quote:

I play piano, keep your hands off my wires!

I understand the situation of your grandfather. He was likely not the kind of soldier to have done what was done to my grandmother. It's unfair to say that every single german soldier was a horrid beast, but in the grand scheme of things, he's in the sparkling minority.

Although perhaps under the pressure of other soldiers he was forced to do things he truly hated. We could be related.

Who knows, really? Grandpa Stefan kept pretty mum about what he did during the war, other than he became a POW near the Normandy beach head.  

[Kats Scratches]

mistercombine

Fresnel

Reminds me of a scene from Band of Brothers. American paratrooper's taunting a group of German POWs, and leans over in one's face and says, loudly,
"Top 'o the mornin' to ya! And where are YOU from, laddie?"
"Eugene, Oregon."
O_O "...No s**t? I grew up not fifteen miles from there."

Don't know how that relates, but it did in my head... somehow.

Yeah, remindd me of that too. Except the reverse. (He spoke with the bare traces of an accent.

Quote:

I play piano, keep your hands off my wires!

I understand the situation of your grandfather. He was likely not the kind of soldier to have done what was done to my grandmother. It's unfair to say that every single german soldier was a horrid beast, but in the grand scheme of things, he's in the sparkling minority.

Although perhaps under the pressure of other soldiers he was forced to do things he truly hated. We could be related.

Who knows, really? Grandpa Stefan kept pretty mum about what he did during the war, other than he became a POW near the Normandy beach head.

And if I say to you that I wanted to, know that I lied

Grandpa was pretty reserved about his war-days, too. I think he was a Russian soldier as opposed to a German one, though. He did have arthritis in his leg, my father said it was from being shot.

He was a bit of a b*****d, it might've been his own fault, though.

You could be right

 

[village midget]

have you guys heard of the milgram experiment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

understand that i am not implying anything about either of your grandfathers. it is just interesting to me that the majority of the german army was made up of normal people like our grandparents....it doesn't make any sense that these normal men were nazis and were able to carry out their orders, that's where milgram's findings become fascinating.  

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mistercombine

Grandpa Stefan

"This here's Stefan. His name... is Stefan. Harden the ******** up, Stefan."  

[black_wing_angel]

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mistercombine

Grandpa Stefan

"This here's Stefan. His name... is Stefan. Harden the ******** up, Stefan."

It was just a matter of time before you brought that up. rofl  

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mistercombine

Grandpa Stefan

"This here's Stefan. His name... is Stefan. Harden the ******** up, Stefan."

Ha! Good one! biggrin