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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:38 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:42 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:48 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:06 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:18 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:52 pm
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Shrantics Pretentious Ego Freak_090 Sorry, but no, The M21 IS what the military is using as a DMR. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn09-e.htm Somewhere, I remember it saying that the DMR was basically a national match M14 with an adjustable stock, while the M21 sold by SA is a Super Match with adjustable stock. May be wrong, though. The M21 and USMC DMR are not the same firearms. The DMR is built and used by the USMC, and is as you said a modified M14.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:16 pm
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Thdark Shrantics Pretentious Ego Freak_090 Sorry, but no, The M21 IS what the military is using as a DMR. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn09-e.htm Somewhere, I remember it saying that the DMR was basically a national match M14 with an adjustable stock, while the M21 sold by SA is a Super Match with adjustable stock. May be wrong, though. The M21 and USMC DMR are not the same firearms. The DMR is built and used by the USMC, and is as you said a modified M14. Though what the hell anyone would be using the automatic fire option for on an M14 is beyond me.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:47 pm
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Shrantics Pretentious Ego Thdark Shrantics Pretentious Ego Freak_090 Sorry, but no, The M21 IS what the military is using as a DMR. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn09-e.htm Somewhere, I remember it saying that the DMR was basically a national match M14 with an adjustable stock, while the M21 sold by SA is a Super Match with adjustable stock. May be wrong, though. The M21 and USMC DMR are not the same firearms. The DMR is built and used by the USMC, and is as you said a modified M14. Though what the hell anyone would be using the automatic fire option for on an M14 is beyond me. Suppressing fire when it's the only gun you have pointed in the direction you need it.
7.62mm High Calibre has taught me much in the way of modern military tactics.
ETA: Works better in theory than in practice though, because of the awkward nature of the M14's selector switch.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:51 pm
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Fresnel Shrantics Pretentious Ego Thdark Shrantics Pretentious Ego Freak_090 Sorry, but no, The M21 IS what the military is using as a DMR. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn09-e.htm Somewhere, I remember it saying that the DMR was basically a national match M14 with an adjustable stock, while the M21 sold by SA is a Super Match with adjustable stock. May be wrong, though. The M21 and USMC DMR are not the same firearms. The DMR is built and used by the USMC, and is as you said a modified M14. Though what the hell anyone would be using the automatic fire option for on an M14 is beyond me. Suppressing fire when it's the only gun you have pointed in the direction you need it. 7.62mm High Calibre has taught me much in the way of modern military tactics. An M14 on full auto can lay down just about as much suppressing fire as an Anti-Air Cannon. Even some of the best soldiers couldn't control it on full auto.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:54 pm
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Shrantics Pretentious Ego Fresnel Shrantics Pretentious Ego Thdark Shrantics Pretentious Ego Freak_090 Sorry, but no, The M21 IS what the military is using as a DMR. http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn09-e.htm Somewhere, I remember it saying that the DMR was basically a national match M14 with an adjustable stock, while the M21 sold by SA is a Super Match with adjustable stock. May be wrong, though. The M21 and USMC DMR are not the same firearms. The DMR is built and used by the USMC, and is as you said a modified M14. Though what the hell anyone would be using the automatic fire option for on an M14 is beyond me. Suppressing fire when it's the only gun you have pointed in the direction you need it. 7.62mm High Calibre has taught me much in the way of modern military tactics. An M14 on full auto can lay down just about as much suppressing fire as an Anti-Air Cannon. Even some of the best soldiers couldn't control it on full auto. Who said anything about controlling it? Are you gonna risk sticking your head up on the off chance that he's not going to get lucky? Do YOU feel lucky? Nobody's willing to poke their head up and risk that. That's the point of suppressing fire. After the fourth shot or so, the shooter can get it back in generally the right area, and at that point all bets are off. It's not shooting to kill, it's shooting to make the other dude s**t his pants and duck. I've learned most military tactics these days can be summed up with "STOP AIMING AT ME!"
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:56 pm
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Fresnel Shrantics Pretentious Ego Fresnel Shrantics Pretentious Ego Thdark The M21 and USMC DMR are not the same firearms. The DMR is built and used by the USMC, and is as you said a modified M14. Though what the hell anyone would be using the automatic fire option for on an M14 is beyond me. Suppressing fire when it's the only gun you have pointed in the direction you need it. 7.62mm High Calibre has taught me much in the way of modern military tactics. An M14 on full auto can lay down just about as much suppressing fire as an Anti-Air Cannon. Even some of the best soldiers couldn't control it on full auto. Who said anything about controlling it? Are you gonna risk sticking your head up on the off chance that he's not going to get lucky? Do YOU feel lucky? Nobody's willing to poke their head up and risk that. That's the point of suppressing fire. After the fourth shot or so, the shooter can get it back in generally the right area, and at that point all bets are off. It's not shooting to kill, it's shooting to make the other dude s**t his pants and duck. I've learned most military tactics these days can be summed up with "STOP AIMING AT ME!" But that's the point- there's suppressing fire and then there's aiming too damn high to be any threat to anyone on the battle field. The automatic setting on an M14 falls into the latter category.
Besides- what the hell is a designated marksman doing using suppressing fire anyhoo? The point of a DM is to lay down accurate long range rapid fire, in'nit?
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:32 am
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Shrantics Pretentious Ego Fresnel Shrantics Pretentious Ego Fresnel Shrantics Pretentious Ego Thdark The M21 and USMC DMR are not the same firearms. The DMR is built and used by the USMC, and is as you said a modified M14. Though what the hell anyone would be using the automatic fire option for on an M14 is beyond me. Suppressing fire when it's the only gun you have pointed in the direction you need it. 7.62mm High Calibre has taught me much in the way of modern military tactics. An M14 on full auto can lay down just about as much suppressing fire as an Anti-Air Cannon. Even some of the best soldiers couldn't control it on full auto. Who said anything about controlling it? Are you gonna risk sticking your head up on the off chance that he's not going to get lucky? Do YOU feel lucky? Nobody's willing to poke their head up and risk that. That's the point of suppressing fire. After the fourth shot or so, the shooter can get it back in generally the right area, and at that point all bets are off. It's not shooting to kill, it's shooting to make the other dude s**t his pants and duck. I've learned most military tactics these days can be summed up with "STOP AIMING AT ME!" But that's the point- there's suppressing fire and then there's aiming too damn high to be any threat to anyone on the battle field. The automatic setting on an M14 falls into the latter category. Besides- what the hell is a designated marksman doing using suppressing fire anyhoo? The point of a DM is to lay down accurate long range rapid fire, in'nit? Honestly, I think you have to break the .40 caliber mark on rifle calibers before the gun is completely uncontrollable for the entire magazine, past the first couple shots. You might toss the first four or five, but you'll get it back on target before you run dry.
But when he's the only one with a free gun, it doesn't hurt to give him the capability to suppress.
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:14 pm
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