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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:40 am


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The P90 wasn't meant to be a precision weapon for range. It was built for extremely short distances or to be hidden under a jacket. If you're using a P90 for distances more than 10 feet, you probably need a different weapon.
Why the hell are you using such a large, heavy gun for that range, though?
P90s are short and light. Whatchoo smokin'?

@Requiem: Looks like Masamune Shirow had a hand in the design of that thing.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:19 pm


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Shrantic
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The P90 wasn't meant to be a precision weapon for range. It was built for extremely short distances or to be hidden under a jacket. If you're using a P90 for distances more than 10 feet, you probably need a different weapon.
Why the hell are you using such a large, heavy gun for that range, though?
P90s are short and light. Whatchoo smokin'?
Ain't shorter than a pistol, ain't lighter than a pistol, and most certainly less effective than a pistol.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:25 pm


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Shrantic
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The P90 wasn't meant to be a precision weapon for range. It was built for extremely short distances or to be hidden under a jacket. If you're using a P90 for distances more than 10 feet, you probably need a different weapon.
Why the hell are you using such a large, heavy gun for that range, though?
P90s are short and light. Whatchoo smokin'?
Ain't shorter than a pistol, ain't lighter than a pistol, and most certainly less effective than a pistol.
Not too much longer. It can easily be used in one hand.

Hence, it's also damn close to as light as a pistol, too. Especially a full-steel pistol. It's not a rifle. It's not a submachinegun. It's a PDW, or Personal Defense Weapon. It was designed specifically to be small, light , maneuverable, accurate, have a large magazine, and have an acceptable rate of fire. In the rifle-length barrel in such a small package, it gets great accurace, and power, out of the little 5.7 round.

What the ******** you smokin?
It's got a 50-round magazine in a tiny package. It's a hell of a lot more effective than a pistol. You know any pistols with a 50-round magazine that can pierce body armor? No? IT wasn't designed to replace the pistol, it was designed to fill a niche BETWEEN rifle and pistol that couldn't be taken up by the SMG. It retains the accuracy of a longer barrel, even with crap sights, that a pistol cannot physically have. It has a higher velocity from that barrel than a shorter barrel in the same caliber. It's middle-balanced, which is a hell of a lot easier with that design than any pistol.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:31 pm


http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/35607-1/PS90_0080.jpg

That is a PS90.
It has an extremely lengthened barrel to meet American minimal overall-length requirements.
Chop the barrel off at the line closest to the front of the "receiver/grip".


It is very small and light in it's original configuration. It's still fairly small and light in the S configuration. You can get an original configuration by applying for an SBR stamp for it, if you really want.


Photography courtesy of Oleg Volk.

[Edited to a link by Fresnel to prevent page-stretching.]

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:06 pm


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Isn't the built-in optic a piece of s**t, too?
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Almost always.

And the P90? HAS FAULTS!? BAH!

You don't really need a long "iron-sight" for the P90. It's maneuverability in close-quarters/indoor urban combat is what it was designed for. As compared to sniping-with the P90- lol good luck.



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:11 pm


I'm not trying to say the P90 is a bad gun. I like it, actually. I'd love to have one. I'm just pointing out a flaw. It's a really stable, maneuverable gun that's about the length of a person's shoulders.

The PS90 is terrible in the way that it loses all the maneuverability and doesn't even take advantage of the longer barrel with a longer sight radius!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:19 pm


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I'm not trying to say the P90 is a bad gun. I like it, actually. I'd love to have one. I'm just pointing out a flaw. It's a really stable, maneuverable gun that's about the length of a person's shoulders.

The PS90 is terrible in the way that it loses all the maneuverability and doesn't even take advantage of the longer barrel with a longer sight radius!
Well again, the PS90's main sight is glass. Think of it like a reflex sight or a red-dot and you'll be pretty close.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:49 am


A good example of how to compair this is the sights on the galil and the AK. The Galil is much farther back and on average more accurate balistics asside.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:26 am


What if you had a row of four sights on the P90? Wouldn't that increase accuracy, as there are more sights that have to be properly aligned with each other?
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