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 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:02 am
I feel that I am biased on this issue and I don't really know what to say.
From my Religion class at my college we discussed the Bible and what it was actually telling us in its words rather than what we are told to believe. In that class, I realized that the Bible says that the world was created in Genesis then later on, a very similar creation story is there...this was confusing---so, if that is true, as I have heard from some people that the Bible is totally true, then that would mean that the Earth was created twice, but yet there was no story of the previous Earth's destruction....and yet there is two creation stories.
So far in my philosophy class we have talked about what may be real, what is and what isn't real. Now, this might be hard to grasp but what I have learned thus far is that many of the theories that I know people have used to prove or disprove the big bang theory and the creation theory are really just theories themselves.
I would rather believe in something that is closest to being concrete and can be proven to the farthest lengths than other theories of how the world came to be. For, if something can be kept true within an argument without contradicting or becoming a circular argument--then that one is the most solid idea to belief in. Now I know some people are fideist in both the area of science and Religion--but that is their choice for them to make and not mine. Now, for me personally, I would believe in science, for even though it is changing and needs to be edited, it shows that we are willing to prove and disprove what we have previously believed in order to be closer to the truth that humans are known to seek, to find contentment in their lives and lifestyles. For when we know the truth, we will, theoretically, know what is the right way to live and the right choices to make, etc.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:12 am
Your argument assumes that there is conflict between the religious text of Christianity and Science.
First off not all sects of Christianity take a literal interpretation of the creation stories in Genesis. Catholics don't take Genesis literally. Most Anglicans don't take it literally. Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy don't take Genesis literally. Methodists generally don't take it literally though there is no official stance. So you are left with a minority of the Christian population that actually believes the creation stories in Genesis are literal.
Second science is designed to deal with empirical falsifiable data, many concepts in Christianity, and other religions in general, are non-falsifiable and non-empirical. Does this mean they can't be wrong no but that there is no objective way to test the metaphysical claims of Christianity or any religion in general
Finally the Big Bang was a theory that was the brain child of a Catholic priest trying to think of how God could have started the universe.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:26 am
i belive that god destroyed the earth with the flood but gave humanity a second chance smile
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:03 pm
sky2high4me Hey does anyone think that without the bible the lack of moral feeling within the value of human life would drop more then it has now? I mean think it even with all the government systems people still break the rules due to illness, insanity, or just do it for fun. With the bible it cover's up for some wholes that the system still can't fill in, although I don't really believe in god I would still use that bible as a means to control people's outburst of hate, rape, and other Sin's that are with in the bible, oh whats funny is everything you do is a sin in some other religious bibles I just love the way people think.
Personally, I believe crime has a personal reason of happening.
With insanity, something is broken with the brain and that can't be fixed even by religion. Atleast, it can't be the same.
With crimes, they are driven for personal reasons such as money issues mostly.
It doesn't take morals to say what is good or bad, but it takes intelligence to know what will cause what.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:10 pm
I believe the universe was created through a natural process in some kind of way. What exactly that way MIGHT be is unknown to me, but science always gradually increases. Maybe there will be an answer one day, maybe there wont.
I sure as hell know that I wont take the back-door method and believe a religion stating a divine being created everything, because it really doesn't make sense.
The reasons are for one, I never heard of matter being created.
-He is all powerful.
Alright, sure...sure... Let's bend some rules and give him absolute control. He created everything, so what created him?
-He has always existed.
That's bullshit, the time frame of nothing existing would continuously go on without a beginning and would cause an infinite paradox of present day, meaning time could not have existed without a beginning if it never started.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:21 pm
look i really don't want to get into a debate. arguing is not my style lol and i hate agruing.
i believe there is a GOD and he created this world we live in. what goes on beyond time in the heavens who knows. but the world will end someday either way. If there is no God, at least i tired to make peace in this cruel world, but if there is, then i'm covered, and many are not.
Well i'm not you, i can't make you believe in God but all i can do is tell you there is a God and he is coming very soon. your choice to believe it or not. ugh please no hate. ^.^ lol thnx!
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:32 pm
WillyJo look i really don't want to get into a debate. arguing is not my style lol and i hate agruing. i believe there is a GOD and he created this world we live in. what goes on beyond time in the heavens who knows. but the world will end someday either way. If there is no God, at least i tired to make peace in this cruel world, but if there is, then i'm covered, and many are not. Well i'm not you, i can't make you believe in God but all i can do is tell you there is a God and he is coming very soon. your choice to believe it or not. ugh please no hate. ^.^ lol thnx!
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:09 am
Captain_Shinzo WillyJo look i really don't want to get into a debate. arguing is not my style lol and i hate agruing. i believe there is a GOD and he created this world we live in. what goes on beyond time in the heavens who knows. but the world will end someday either way. If there is no God, at least i tired to make peace in this cruel world, but if there is, then i'm covered, and many are not. Well i'm not you, i can't make you believe in God but all i can do is tell you there is a God and he is coming very soon. your choice to believe it or not. ugh please no hate. ^.^ lol thnx! lol right whee
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:22 pm
Arguments and debates are really two different things.
While some may argue, debates are done to get a point across usually with peace at mind. No hatred or ugliness is spewed by any side, only facts and evidence to support the claims of one another.
While debates usually get an outcome, Arguments usually lead nowhere with a negative effect in the end.
Arguments are bad, BUT debating is good.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:26 pm
Big Bang = God creating light and such. Look up Genesis Chapter 1.
How can molecules that don't exist yet come together to explode, creating Earth? It's not logical.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:35 pm
Sapphirianna Big Bang = God creating light and such. Look up Genesis Chapter 1. How can molecules that don't exist yet come together to explode, creating Earth? It's not logical.
Than again, I think you should brush up more on the Big Bang and everything about it. Mostly because you're using the "Nothing makes everything?" idea being passed around which really isn't the idea that the Big Bang is saying. Even then, though, it IS just a theory and shouldn't be said as definite fact.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:09 pm
There is nothing more to it than "something from nothing", it has been compared to many things, even steam condensing to form water droplets, but that is the basic concept...
... Which still has a horrible flaw, namely that this idea violates one of the laws of physics.
As I said before, there is nothing Science can't explain with theories, and nothing that can't be explained with the Bible. "Proof"-wise, they are equally likely.
But as I said, personally I'd go for the one with insurance, because after all, if the Scientific idea is totally true, then absolutely nothing happens except the world biggest "I told you so". However if the Bible is correct, then significantly more happens.
One thing with the Bible specifically that many peopel are unaware of, if that it is essentially incomeplete.
Several decades after Jesus' disappearance, several scholars and priests and such got together to create the "Bible". Which was the Jewish Old Testament, except with the New Testament.
The New Testament is a collection of books written during Jesus' life, and/or are about him, or things involving him.
Anyway, here's my point:
These Scholars and Priests decided from hundreds of books that they believed to be the most important, and these books became the New Testament. Just because it's not in the bible doesn't necessarily mean it's not true, because after all, there are those hundreds of books never before seen in centuries.
I mean, for all we know one of those books could contain the exact details of how god planned evolution.
It's kind of a stretch, but it's something to keep in mind.
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:25 pm
sky2high4me Hey does anyone think that without the bible the lack of moral feeling within the value of human life would drop more then it has now? I mean think it even with all the government systems people still break the rules due to illness, insanity, or just do it for fun. With the bible it cover's up for some wholes that the system still can't fill in, although I don't really believe in god I would still use that bible as a means to control people's outburst of hate, rape, and other Sin's that are with in the bible, oh whats funny is everything you do is a sin in some other religious bibles I just love the way people think. I completely disagree. There are plenty of people who have no kind of religion in their life who are VERY good people. Since when is it the Bible that gives people good morals?? There were many different religions before the Bible was even created, and the people who practiced them knew right from wrong. The Bible did not create morality and getting rid of it would not cause it to disappear.
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:39 pm
I completely disagree. There are plenty of people who have no kind of religion in their life who are VERY good people. Since when is it the Bible that gives people good morals?? There were many different religions before the Bible was even created, and the people who practiced them knew right from wrong. The Bible did not create morality and getting rid of it would not cause it to disappear.
^^ Cha awesome
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:40 am
God or the big bang? What about both? Who's to say that God and the Big Bang aren't connected? No proof says they are separate. So why separate them in debate?
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