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 Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:36 pm
See does it honestly matter I don't have a religon or hevan or hell honestly when you die you die no second chances honestly I respect you if you honestly belive in heaven and hell and reincaration but think about what they write they can't prove what you see on tv you can't prove It's like the darwin theroy of evolution some belive it some think it's the devils word...
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:47 pm
I don't think proof is needed as long as you have the feeling of faith.
@Dragoness - very well spoken! I do want to add though that the god in the Old Testament of the Bible had moments of being well not exactly nice. For example, the story of Noah's ark.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:12 pm
I personally don't believe in heaven or hell. I believe in a type of purgatory where you soul is held while you are waiting to be reincarnated. I'm not quite sure what my religion is at the moment, but I would classify myself as Neo Pagan.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:20 pm
my religion believes in both
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:26 pm
okay so I am christian and well for me praticulary don't belive in heaven or hell I belivie when you die you are held in account for your sin(s) after you have paid for that you are reincarnated also if the sin is super bad you won't ever be reincarnated
I wonder if you could actully call me a christian *shrugs* o' well
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:33 pm
elliona1 okay so I am christian and well for me praticulary don't belive in heaven or hell I belivie when you die you are held in account for your sin(s) after you have paid for that you are reincarnated also if the sin is super bad you won't ever be reincarnated I wonder if you could actully call me a christian *shrugs* o' well Reincarnation (or more accurately the transmigration of souls) was actually a debated topic in Christianity. It only lost out by a few hairs. I can send you a PM with verses used to justify transmigration in early Christianity. It should be noted that transmigration is still an acceptable belief in Judaism.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:32 pm
Underworld Priestess I do want to add though that the god in the Old Testament of the Bible had moments of being well not exactly nice. For example, the story of Noah's ark.
Pretty much, flooding the world and killing everyone does not become fixed by a "Whoops my bad". After promising not to end more livings, Sodom and Gomorrah come along. Hypocritical god is hypocritical. Let's also not forget the many times where he did un-needed and wrong things back in the Old Testament. If you follow the Old Testament and believe in it, I could not understand you if you were to say god was all-loving and peaceful.
Than again, I don't believe in any gods/goddesses.
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MY religion in a nutshell:
No gods, everything exists by natural ways, you die and stay dead. End.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:20 pm
I don't think you quite understand the point of the flood Shinzo. God did not flood the Earth because HE had made a mistake. PEOPLE had made the mistake. He gave us free will, and we made too many mistakes for His liking, so he decided to "start over".
Also, to defend Priestess, she never said that He was all-loving or peaceful. She said he was known to not be so nice.
What exactly do you mean by "un-needed" and "wrong" things? The Old Testament God did a lot, so you're going to have to be a lot more specific. Just because YOU think they were un-needed doesn't mean they were. "Wrong" is a personal opinion.
The Old Testament was WRONG!? ivuhleiuyhgqwebiuy. How many times has the Bible been re-written now? Do you KNOW how many things have been found to be mis-translated? Did you know the "Red Sea" that Moses parted, has since been found as a mistranslation and it most likely actually reads the "Reed Sea", referring to a bog and Moses knew the correct path to take so that no one would fall into any sinkholes (or whatever they're called). This would also explain the part where the Egyptians where swallowed up. If they did not know the correct path to take, they would fall through the holes, and drown. Point is, I think most people have come to accept that the Bible, including the Old Testament, are not completely correct. Either from exaggeration or mistranslation, or whatever other means. Man wrote the Bible, and Man is not perfect. To assume things over a God you don't believe in, when it is Mans interpretation of Him, is naive, especially when you seem to have so little a grasp on what writings there are.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:44 pm
Dragoness Arleeana I don't think you quite understand the point of the flood Shinzo. God did not flood the Earth because HE had made a mistake. PEOPLE had made the mistake. He gave us free will, and we made too many mistakes for His liking, so he decided to "start over". Also, to defend Priestess, she never said that He was all-loving or peaceful. She said he was known to not be so nice. What exactly do you mean by "un-needed" and "wrong" things? The Old Testament God did a lot, so you're going to have to be a lot more specific. Just because YOU think they were un-needed doesn't mean they were. "Wrong" is a personal opinion. The Old Testament was WRONG!? ivuhleiuyhgqwebiuy. How many times has the Bible been re-written now? Do you KNOW how many things have been found to be mis-translated? Did you know the "Red Sea" that Moses parted, has since been found as a mistranslation and it most likely actually reads the "Reed Sea", referring to a bog and Moses knew the correct path to take so that no one would fall into any sinkholes (or whatever they're called). This would also explain the part where the Egyptians where swallowed up. If they did not know the correct path to take, they would fall through the holes, and drown. Point is, I think most people have come to accept that the Bible, including the Old Testament, are not completely correct. Either from exaggeration or mistranslation, or whatever other means. Man wrote the Bible, and Man is not perfect. To assume things over a God you don't believe in, when it is Mans interpretation of Him, is naive, especially when you seem to have so little a grasp on what writings there are.
Now the mistake was AFTER the flood. After he flooded the entire earth and killed everyone which left Noah and his wife to repopulate, he promised to never kill again because his decision on prejudgment life was wrong. and yes, people DO have free will. They deserve to live out that free will, not take it away. After all, there was such a thing a redemption. So no matter what the reason was, he could have changed the game and helped so many lives instead of resetting the entire game.
I never said she said he was all-loving. I just wanted to point out a perfect being such as this god can't hold grudges or take lives whenever he wants or else he is no longer perfect in a mental aspect. Unless you think Global genocide is cool because God said so.
If the only proof of God is man then there is no proof, so there really isn't any reason to believe god. That is, that is how you have worded it. I know the many mis-translations, the screw ups, yadda yadda. That doesn't defeat the purpose of the old testament if you go over the stories of what god has done.
As said, link Flood to Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:57 pm
yes, yes I do, ._.
but I'm not gonna get into a discussion/debate about it,
I have enough people hating me thank you very much. ._.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:24 pm
Dragoness Arleeana If I live an evil life, and my Goddess sentences me to Hell, I cannot blame them. That does not make them malevolent, it makes them fair, and just. My faith says the same.
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:15 am
Ever Servant Dragoness Arleeana If I live an evil life, and my Goddess sentences me to Hell, I cannot blame them. That does not make them malevolent, it makes them fair, and just. My faith says the same. This is simply my view on religions that believe in any concept similar to Hell. I do not, however, believe in it. I believe in reincarnation. I think that our souls are simply living to gain experience, wisdom, knowledge, etc..and finally, enlightenment. Once a soul has lived enough lives and becomes enlightened, I believe it moves onto the Otherworld. (this is simply what I call it. I am not referring to the Otherworld of the Sidhe) I believe this to be like heaven, where we become one with the universe, the Gods, and all things. I do not believe in karma though. I don't think we will pay for our mistakes in the next life. I feel that every life either puts us closer to enlightenment, or it doesn't.
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