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What do you typically wear for ritual work?
  Robe/Cloak- It's all about the mystical
  Normal clothes, but set aside for ritual- Keepin' it simple
  Whatever- Makes no never mind to me
  Mix and match- Depends on my mood/Doesn't really matter
  Skyclad- Workin' in the buff
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Jishin

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:18 am


Suzuroi
Erm, forgive me for being a newbie, but what's a ren dress? What's skyclad? From the sound of what you guys are saying, it sounds like skyclad = nude. ._. ...Yeah. But a ren dress sounds cool.


You are correct in your interpretation of skyclad. Wearing the sky, indeed.

I'll pull out something nice or themed if I'm doing ritual as part of a group, but by myself, I don't usually dress up.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:57 am


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But does clothing, or the lack there of, really play a significant role in magic? Do any of you have ritual clothes (not jewlery)?
Yes, if it matters to the individual.

Just as certain people learn in different ways (i.e., hands-on versus book-work), so do we practice and work. As with tools, if clothing (or lack thereof) helps one connect more with his or her work, then so be it.

Of course, with some speciality jobs, clothing should be specialy selected. When working with certain substances, as with welding materials or fire, it is best to wear materials that will not put you in danger. Just your safety advice for today. sweatdrop

I do have a dress I wear for special occasions, especially Samhain/Halloween and to events like a Faire. I would like to have a cloak, but as I do not do much formal casting, anyways, it will probably be a while. I also have a good deal of special jewelry, primarily worn to enhance effects or connect me to certain sources. The major ones rest on my altar. heart

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:42 am


I have a robe made specifically for rituals with my coven, but the guy that made it had to go away for a while, so I doubt I'll see it for a long while sweatdrop

As for skyclad... um... do what you like, but I'm not one to go naked when I have the choice not to sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:03 am


I think it tends to be more personal significance than anything else. To me, it's more of a personal mental trigger than anything else.

That being said, I'm afraid I don't have any real ritual clothing. I have a general black dress shirt (I heart dress shirts) and pair of black jeans that I'll wear for a ritual that demands black clothing. I'm think of setting aside one shirt thoguh, and gradually try to embroider/sew in designs.

Now I just have to practice sewing first...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:27 pm


All of this stuff sounds nice...If I ever get around to casting spells and going Wiccan, I'll set aside some cool clothes...as soon as I move out of my parents' house, because I'm sure they'd think that what I'm doing is ridiculous, since we're all athiests (although half of the rest of my family is Christian, and the other half is Buddhist). But all this stuff sounds fun.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:32 pm


I'm not overly ritualistic or cermonial so I do it in whatever, after a bit of purification and such, wouldn't dream of starting a ritual or cermony with a load of negative energy hanging onto me. xp

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:40 pm


Personally I don't think there's a difference with going skyclad or wearing clothing. It just has to do with whatever makes you feel closer to the big guys up there^. Personally I like to go skyclad when ever I can for spell work, and wear clothing when its not appropriate or when it would just make me really uncomfortable. Like at school, ah I can just imagine it.

"...Why aren't you wearing any clothes...?"
"Spell work of course."
"Must you take all of it off?"
"Is there any other way?"
"B-but in math class?!"
"I want good luck on a test, so sue me."

Like I said, I like it better in the buff, but it isn't necessary for me to do my work. Just so long as I connect, and the energy flows, I could be wearing a pink bunny suit and it wouldn't matter for me.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:44 pm


Wow, it seems that my observations through my reading has been accurate: There is a definate move away from the practice of working Skyclad. It almost makes me wish I was still doing a sociology major, so I would actually have time to do research into the transition, whether it's due largely to legal obligations, commercialism, or a general sense of discomfort. Bwah!! Why must literature take up so much of my life? crying

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:45 pm


Skasha

"...Why aren't you wearing any clothes...?"
"Spell work of course."
"Must you take all of it off?"
"Is there any other way?"
"B-but in math class?!"
"I want good luck on a test, so sue me."


LOL That was beautiful.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:47 pm


If I had my own place then I wouldn't mind so much being skyclad for it since it's how I like to sleep anyway. My only problem with doing it right now is that I live with my family so that I can help my mom take care of gma and my step-brothers. They don't have the concept of knocking down.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:07 am


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If I had my own place then I wouldn't mind so much being skyclad for it since it's how I like to sleep anyway. My only problem with doing it right now is that I live with my family so that I can help my mom take care of gma and my step-brothers. They don't have the concept of knocking down.


Completely understandable. My door locks, thanks to my handywoman skills, and my room mates know that if the door is shut, you knock first. Privacy would be a huge contributing factor.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:25 am


Gypsy Blue

Completely understandable. My door locks, thanks to my handywoman skills, and my room mates know that if the door is shut, you knock first. Privacy would be a huge contributing factor.


I may have to go ahead and do that eventually, we just moved into the house so we're working on adding things since the builders weren't all that great. I'm working at the moment to put up more shelving in the landing since my room is the one above the garage and later we're taking out part of the wall to put a small door there so I can get to the empty space on each side of my room. Currently I tell people I'm living in a London flat with my office, living room, library, and bedroom in a small area less then 10' by 20'.

I yhink skyclad would be an interesting way to work since you won't have to worry the tangling up and snagging on things that you would with cloaks or dresses.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:05 pm


I've practically always worn robes for ritual- the only time I'm skyclad is in the purification bath (which would be rather messy with robes^_~). But I've been to Pagan gatherings in the SouthEastern region of the United States and there are some folks who are so into skyclad that they pretty much remain that way for the entire 3-4 day gathering. I think that Arcane prefers skyclad for ritual, and I'm hoping that he'll post here because we really need some more people to represent for the group.^_^

I guess you could say that I'm all about the robes. I had originally written a lengthy description of each set of robes I've owned in the past and present, but then looked back and realized how long I'd been rambling on about something which people probably don't really care about. redface But at any rate, I'm working on a theory. Most of the folks whom I've heard talking about skyclad do it- at least in part- because they say that clothing interferes with the flow of energy. Others who go robed cite the benefit of using ritual clothing as another means of channelling or programing that energy (and/or the subconscious mind). I love to compare magical energy to electricity, so that started me thinking about using wires to conduct electrical energy- the friction caused as the current passes through the metal tends to slow it down, you lose some of the power which you put into the wire because of this. However, using the wire also helps you to route that energy in certain ways. I think that those who go without robes do it in order to avoid the friction which is caused as the energy flows- first into, and through, the robes. They rely on other techniques for routing the energy, which they clearly believe are more efficient conductors. Those who use robes like that technique for routing the energy- it's a matter of preference. Personally, I like robes, but I read this thread right before my evening rite last night and it started me thinking about the subject- so I decided to take my teacher's suggestion from several years back and I went into ritual nude. Just to see if it really did feel different.^_~

The first change that I noticed was in the selection of offerings. I'd offered my gods a choice between water and wine libations at the beginning of my preparations, and after much deliberation They'd chosen the water. The moment that I decided to go with a nude ritual I heard Them in my head, "Oh, then it will have to be the wine!" I've a couple of theories as to why this may have happened.^_^ Hwt-Hrw (a.k.a. Hathor), the patron of feminine beauty and fertility is also known as the Lady of Drunkenness. She also has mythical connections to both of my Two Ladies- Skhmt because Hwt-Hrw was said to have turned into Skhmt when Her blood-lust took over and Bast because one version of the myths says that when the Distant Goddess (Who is sometimes identified with Skhmt-Tfnt after Her blood bath) returned to Egypt, She bathed in the Nile to wash away the blood and rage and emerged as Bast. The other possibility is that my gods decided that the entertainment value of watching me perform ritual naked would be enhanced even further by alcohol.^_~

I've never really had much contact with Hwt-Hrw before last night, but I knew of Her connections and I had some Hwt-Hrw incense which I decided to use for this ritual. I'd also read about temple dancers and women of professions sacred to Hwt-Hrw being portrayed as nude with lots of jewelry, so I decided to still wear ritual jewelry.

The ritual went well- I don't know if I can say that it went particularly better or worse than it normally does, but even though I made my offerings to the usual selection of deities and did not include Hwt-Hrw more than simply using Her incense, I did get one indication of Her presence which was actually rather amusing.^_^ It was during the time right after the ritual where I was tasting the offerings before going out to pick up Arcane- in Kemetic ritual, the deity partakes of the spiritual essence of the offering, thus leaving a kind of spiritual void in the food, which is filled as the offering retains a small portion of that deity's presence or essence. So we consume the offerings after ritual, as a kind of communion- to take that deity's being into ourselves. In rituals like tonight's, I can't drink all of that wine so I just take a sip from each deity's portion so that I can commune with all of Them in this way. When I took my first drink from Skhmt's cup, I heard the unmistakable sound of a chorus of cattle lowing. In an apartment in downtown San Francisco, if you can hear cows then you know that something's up.^_~ At first, I was like- "What the hell...? Cows?" There were a lot of them, too, lol! Then I remembered the cow as Hwt-Hrw's sacred animal- when I stopped drinking, the cows stopped lowing. I put down the glass and picked up Bast's goblet, and when I raised it to my lips and began to drink I heard the cows again! It was hysterical, seriously- though it may have been one of those things where you just had to have been there.^_^ The only other time that I've experienced something like this was when I attended a Skhmt saq at a New Year's festival, and right before She showed up I heard a lion's roar- in a little town house in suburban Pacifica.^_^
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:55 pm


Wow, that's really an amazing tale, Weben! I have yet to have my own "major" experiences, but I look forward to finding such opportunities to do so, especially now that I'm almost in college. heart

The difference in energy flow makes complete sense, too. The glands in the skin not only produce sweat, thus creating something for energy or electricity to run through, but the skin itself is a giant, receptive sensory organ. Covering it is as the same as covering one's ear, eyes, or nose, and with different covers (a mask, for example), different things will be honed and recieved.

I know for me, being able to go skyclad will be.. a "refreshing" experience. I really like clothes when I'm not in water; my enviornment is typically cold and wet, and I'm not too found of exposing myself to others like some of my female peers. xp To be able to feel that comfortable and safe will be, for the lack of a better word, different.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:15 am


Wow, Weben, I wish I had something that stirring to report from my skyclad experiment! I've never made as strong a connection to deity as you have, but I have with other entities like the elements or the dragons I've started to work with with the exception of when I got my tattoo. Since I won't be doing that again any time soon, nor is it condusive to ritual work, I'll have to find new ways of connecting, and I think that skyclad is going to be one of those ways. I find it heightens my awareness of my surrounds, perhaps because I'm paranoid of my room mates forgetting to knock, but I'm definately more alert and intuned.

I'm also of the belief that skyclad isn't going to be a necessary part of all of my magical workings; this last experiment was part of a combined cleansing, purification and binding, and it worked wonderfully! I intended to strip and burn away all of the negativity I was experiencing, and being skyclad just seemd appropriate.

It's also nice when I take the time on a Friday night to meditate with Aphrodite, a part of my newly begun beauty regiment. For me, it simply seems as though clothes would impede the process, but I can see their necessity in other instances. They do offer an extra bit of protection, both physically and mentally, which would be undoubtedly reassuring is some instances.
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