New weapon in the war, and about time!

[Whence it Flows]

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war_junky 91

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Smokestack Lightning

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I don't know if they can do it. I suspect most scout snipers just use laser rangefinders, and only guess if the thing's broken. But the point of airburst is to have the round hit NOTHING and explode at the correct distance, and you can't laser rangefind off nothing.

I would think they could since they have to judge the distance of moving targets and where they are going to be but that probably can be told via rangefinder.

They probably just mount those to the scope, a la BORS.

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If, for example, an enemy combatant pops up from behind a wall to fire at US troops and then ducks behind it, an XM25 gunner can aim the laser range finder at the top of the wall, then program the shell to detonate one meter beyond it, showering lethal fragmentation where the insurgent is seeking cover.

The grenadier can set the burst distance for the point he finds. So all he has to do is find something near the traget and add/subtract distance for the burst. No need to range find on air.

You know, that would almost always work. A pair of +1m and -1m buttons. Hiding next to a building? Wall -1m. Hiding behind a truck? Truck +1m. The only time it fails is against a well-made trench.

Which is exactly how bradleys work. So this probably works the same way.

Still, awful ******** heavy for what amounts to be a really fancy grenade launcher.  

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war_junky 91

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Smokestack Lightning

I would think they could since they have to judge the distance of moving targets and where they are going to be but that probably can be told via rangefinder.

They probably just mount those to the scope, a la BORS.

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If, for example, an enemy combatant pops up from behind a wall to fire at US troops and then ducks behind it, an XM25 gunner can aim the laser range finder at the top of the wall, then program the shell to detonate one meter beyond it, showering lethal fragmentation where the insurgent is seeking cover.

The grenadier can set the burst distance for the point he finds. So all he has to do is find something near the traget and add/subtract distance for the burst. No need to range find on air.

You know, that would almost always work. A pair of +1m and -1m buttons. Hiding next to a building? Wall -1m. Hiding behind a truck? Truck +1m. The only time it fails is against a well-made trench.

Which is exactly how bradleys work. So this probably works the same way.

Still, awful ******** heavy for what amounts to be a really fancy grenade launcher.

Well, it DOES have a magazine, as well as a rifle attached to it.  

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Pripyat Dawn

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war_junky 91

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They probably just mount those to the scope, a la BORS.

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If, for example, an enemy combatant pops up from behind a wall to fire at US troops and then ducks behind it, an XM25 gunner can aim the laser range finder at the top of the wall, then program the shell to detonate one meter beyond it, showering lethal fragmentation where the insurgent is seeking cover.

The grenadier can set the burst distance for the point he finds. So all he has to do is find something near the traget and add/subtract distance for the burst. No need to range find on air.

You know, that would almost always work. A pair of +1m and -1m buttons. Hiding next to a building? Wall -1m. Hiding behind a truck? Truck +1m. The only time it fails is against a well-made trench.

Which is exactly how bradleys work. So this probably works the same way.

Still, awful ******** heavy for what amounts to be a really fancy grenade launcher.

Well, it DOES have a magazine, as well as a rifle attached to it.

There's no rifle attached to it. Dude's gotta carry a rifle seperately  

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Pripyat Dawn

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war_junky 91

The grenadier can set the burst distance for the point he finds. So all he has to do is find something near the traget and add/subtract distance for the burst. No need to range find on air.

You know, that would almost always work. A pair of +1m and -1m buttons. Hiding next to a building? Wall -1m. Hiding behind a truck? Truck +1m. The only time it fails is against a well-made trench.

Which is exactly how bradleys work. So this probably works the same way.

Still, awful ******** heavy for what amounts to be a really fancy grenade launcher.

Well, it DOES have a magazine, as well as a rifle attached to it.

There's no rifle attached to it. Dude's gotta carry a rifle seperately

Jesus ********, you're right. I thought it was an OICW. Man, ******** that noise. Slap an upgraded BORS on a Milkor and you've got a weapon ten times more effective. ******** H&K with a cactus. Christ.  

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war_junky 91

The grenadier can set the burst distance for the point he finds. So all he has to do is find something near the traget and add/subtract distance for the burst. No need to range find on air.

You know, that would almost always work. A pair of +1m and -1m buttons. Hiding next to a building? Wall -1m. Hiding behind a truck? Truck +1m. The only time it fails is against a well-made trench.

Which is exactly how bradleys work. So this probably works the same way.

Still, awful ******** heavy for what amounts to be a really fancy grenade launcher.

Well, it DOES have a magazine, as well as a rifle attached to it.

There's no rifle attached to it. Dude's gotta carry a rifle seperately

Jesus ********, you're right. I thought it was an OICW. Man, ******** that noise. Slap an upgraded BORS on a Milkor and you've got a weapon ten times more effective. ******** H&K with a cactus. Christ.

Yeah. Especially since it really only becomes useful after around 300m, you know, beyond rifle and underslung range, and at that point, with the massive amount of air support waiting around, or gun trucks, or organic weapon teams with M240s. This is not a one-man-a-fire-team kind of weapon in terms of weight and bulk.  

[Floyd]

One has to consider how the various military branches would make use of this weapon.

Other than the standard 2 man sniper team, most military organization is based on a multiple man squad. I'm still fond of the army's field squad with specific weapons distribution among the men.

I'd have no problem with having one or two of these, along with a pair on a Barrett MRAD for long range suppression. The Barrett has more reach than the XM 25.

The "Army of One" myth is just that. Building a reliable weapon that makes everyone a one man unit won't happen until well into the 2030's, if then. And each one of those Swiss Army knife weapons will most likely cost $50,000 each with prohibitive ammo costs.  

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Floyd

One has to consider how the various military branches would make use of this weapon.

Other than the standard 2 man sniper team, most military organization is based on a multiple man squad. I'm still fond of the army's field squad with specific weapons distribution among the men.

I'd have no problem with having one or two of these, along with a pair on a Barrett MRAD for long range suppression. The Barrett has more reach than the XM 25.

The "Army of One" myth is just that. Building a reliable weapon that makes everyone a one man unit won't happen until well into the 2030's, if then. And each one of those Swiss Army knife weapons will most likely cost $50,000 each with prohibitive ammo costs.

Yeah, there's no I in team. You ever see a WW2 movie, or maybe Band of Brothers? You ever notice the assistant gunner? ******** stuck next to the biggest un-armored s**t magnet on the field carrying eight tons of ammo AND NO WEAPON. I wouldn't want to be that guy any more than I'd want to be the dude carrying a weapon that starts being useful at 300m in an urban combat situation.  

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Floyd

One has to consider how the various military branches would make use of this weapon.

Other than the standard 2 man sniper team, most military organization is based on a multiple man squad. I'm still fond of the army's field squad with specific weapons distribution among the men.

I'd have no problem with having one or two of these, along with a pair on a Barrett MRAD for long range suppression. The Barrett has more reach than the XM 25.

The "Army of One" myth is just that. Building a reliable weapon that makes everyone a one man unit won't happen until well into the 2030's, if then. And each one of those Swiss Army knife weapons will most likely cost $50,000 each with prohibitive ammo costs.

actually not everyone knows the meaning of "army of one"

its actually a cleverly thought of set of letters that includes ALL members of the army...I didnt find out what it meant until the end of bct

1000 gold to the one who can decode it  

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Officers, Non-coms, Enlisted. Still gay as ********, and never should have left internal memos.

Assistant gunners carry their own weapons, they're the gunner's security element, as well as hauling the tripod around.

And even in that multiple man squad, every individual has to be fully capable of performing the basic rifleman's job. There's a reason why the phrase "crippiling specialization" exists. You can't have one guy who's only useful in one situation. He may have a piece of equipment that's highly specialized, but if that piece of equipment detracts from his other duties, then that's a serious problem. If you have a multiple man squad, where each guy performs one task, during each task, it'll be like one guy doing it, with seven extra bodies doing nothing. That's a ******** waste.  

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Pripyat Dawn

Officers, Non-coms, Enlisted. Still gay as ********, and never should have left internal memos.

Assistant gunners carry their own weapons, they're the gunner's security element, as well as hauling the tripod around.

And even in that multiple man squad, every individual has to be fully capable of performing the basic rifleman's job. There's a reason why the phrase "crippiling specialization" exists. You can't have one guy who's only useful in one situation. He may have a piece of equipment that's highly specialized, but if that piece of equipment detracts from his other duties, then that's a serious problem. If you have a multiple man squad, where each guy performs one task, during each task, it'll be like one guy doing it, with seven extra bodies doing nothing. That's a ******** waste.

They do now, they didn't in the 40's. They had three guys, the gunner, the ammo carrier, and the guy with the tripod. The ammo carrier didn't carry a rifle of his own (maybe a 1911, but not a rifle), and the tripod carrier got a carbine. In battle, the gunner had his M1918, the tripod carrier had his rifle, and the assistant had two hands full of M1918 belt.  

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Pripyat Dawn

Officers, Non-coms, Enlisted. Still gay as ********, and never should have left internal memos.

Assistant gunners carry their own weapons, they're the gunner's security element, as well as hauling the tripod around.

And even in that multiple man squad, every individual has to be fully capable of performing the basic rifleman's job. There's a reason why the phrase "crippiling specialization" exists. You can't have one guy who's only useful in one situation. He may have a piece of equipment that's highly specialized, but if that piece of equipment detracts from his other duties, then that's a serious problem. If you have a multiple man squad, where each guy performs one task, during each task, it'll be like one guy doing it, with seven extra bodies doing nothing. That's a ******** waste.

They do now, they didn't in the 40's. They had three guys, the gunner, the ammo carrier, and the guy with the tripod. The ammo carrier didn't carry a rifle of his own (maybe a 1911, but not a rifle), and the tripod carrier got a carbine. In battle, the gunner had his M1918, the tripod carrier had his rifle, and the assistant had two hands full of M1918 belt.

I assume you mean the M1919, because the M1918 BAR was most definitely not belt-fed.  

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Pripyat Dawn

Officers, Non-coms, Enlisted. Still gay as ********, and never should have left internal memos.

Assistant gunners carry their own weapons, they're the gunner's security element, as well as hauling the tripod around.

And even in that multiple man squad, every individual has to be fully capable of performing the basic rifleman's job. There's a reason why the phrase "crippiling specialization" exists. You can't have one guy who's only useful in one situation. He may have a piece of equipment that's highly specialized, but if that piece of equipment detracts from his other duties, then that's a serious problem. If you have a multiple man squad, where each guy performs one task, during each task, it'll be like one guy doing it, with seven extra bodies doing nothing. That's a ******** waste.

They do now, they didn't in the 40's. They had three guys, the gunner, the ammo carrier, and the guy with the tripod. The ammo carrier didn't carry a rifle of his own (maybe a 1911, but not a rifle), and the tripod carrier got a carbine. In battle, the gunner had his M1918, the tripod carrier had his rifle, and the assistant had two hands full of M1918 belt.

I assume you mean the M1919, because the M1918 BAR was most definitely not belt-fed.

Jesus christ, I could have said M1919 OR M1917 and been right, but noooo...  

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dont need an assistant gunner with this 1919 variant. this can be carried and operated by a single man


USMC used quite a few of these in the pacific. fires between 1200 and 1400 rpm
corporal tony stein won the medal of honor using this machine gun.


it weighs about 21 pounds while regular 1919 types weigh around 33 or so pounds

this thing raped the s**t out of the japanese on iwo jima  

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Recon_Ninja_985

dont need an assistant gunner with this 1919 variant. this can be carried and operated by a single man


USMC used quite a few of these in the pacific. fires between 1200 and 1400 rpm
corporal tony stein won the medal of honor using this machine gun.


it weighs about 21 pounds while regular 1919 types weigh around 33 or so pounds

this thing raped the s**t out of the japanese on iwo jima

Someone still had to carry all that ammo though.  

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Recon_Ninja_985

dont need an assistant gunner with this 1919 variant. this can be carried and operated by a single man


USMC used quite a few of these in the pacific. fires between 1200 and 1400 rpm
corporal tony stein won the medal of honor using this machine gun.


it weighs about 21 pounds while regular 1919 types weigh around 33 or so pounds

this thing raped the s**t out of the japanese on iwo jima

Someone still had to carry all that ammo though.

isnt that how it's always been? confused