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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:47 pm
It's an overpriced, although very nice, rifle. The original idea was a drop-in upper receiver replacement- think like the HK M416. They failed to provide that, but the military decided to overlook it. FN-H is to the military what HK is to the civilian sector, sorta. By somewhat restricting themselves to the original plan, they hamstrung their ability to really do something awesome, instead turning out something with a lot of questionable design, a lot of unnecessary bulk, and a reciprocating charging handle.

Nothing still uses that. Especially when it's in a spot that a magwell grip will destroy your hand.

For the same price, I'd get an ACR.  
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:37 pm
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It's an overpriced, although very nice, rifle. The original idea was a drop-in upper receiver replacement- think like the HK M416. They failed to provide that, but the military decided to overlook it. FN-H is to the military what HK is to the civilian sector, sorta. By somewhat restricting themselves to the original plan, they hamstrung their ability to really do something awesome, instead turning out something with a lot of questionable design, a lot of unnecessary bulk, and a reciprocating charging handle.

Nothing still uses that. Especially when it's in a spot that a magwell grip will destroy your hand.

For the same price, I'd get an ACR.
What is this weapon?  

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:09 pm
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:35 pm
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It's an overpriced, although very nice, rifle. The original idea was a drop-in upper receiver replacement- think like the HK M416. They failed to provide that, but the military decided to overlook it. FN-H is to the military what HK is to the civilian sector, sorta. By somewhat restricting themselves to the original plan, they hamstrung their ability to really do something awesome, instead turning out something with a lot of questionable design, a lot of unnecessary bulk, and a reciprocating charging handle.

Nothing still uses that. Especially when it's in a spot that a magwell grip will destroy your hand.

For the same price, I'd get an ACR.
What is this weapon?
Originially the Magpul Masada, now the Remington/Bushmaster ACR. Look it up.  

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:59 pm
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Jackie Flores
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It's an overpriced, although very nice, rifle. The original idea was a drop-in upper receiver replacement- think like the HK M416. They failed to provide that, but the military decided to overlook it. FN-H is to the military what HK is to the civilian sector, sorta. By somewhat restricting themselves to the original plan, they hamstrung their ability to really do something awesome, instead turning out something with a lot of questionable design, a lot of unnecessary bulk, and a reciprocating charging handle.

Nothing still uses that. Especially when it's in a spot that a magwell grip will destroy your hand.

For the same price, I'd get an ACR.
What is this weapon?
Originially the Magpul Masada, now the Remington/Bushmaster ACR. Look it up.
I'm wondering why it's sold to civilians by Bushmaster, but to the government by Remington.  
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:18 pm
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Jackie Flores
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It's an overpriced, although very nice, rifle. The original idea was a drop-in upper receiver replacement- think like the HK M416. They failed to provide that, but the military decided to overlook it. FN-H is to the military what HK is to the civilian sector, sorta. By somewhat restricting themselves to the original plan, they hamstrung their ability to really do something awesome, instead turning out something with a lot of questionable design, a lot of unnecessary bulk, and a reciprocating charging handle.

Nothing still uses that. Especially when it's in a spot that a magwell grip will destroy your hand.

For the same price, I'd get an ACR.
What is this weapon?
Originially the Magpul Masada, now the Remington/Bushmaster ACR. Look it up.
I'm wondering why it's sold to civilians by Bushmaster, but to the government by Remington.
production capacity of 2 companies.

not totally uncommon really. I mean how many different companies produced m1 rifles and carbines? and m16's to govt for that matter, i've seen a crap ton of m16's from many 3rd party companies i've never heard of.  

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:53 pm
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Jackie Flores
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It's an overpriced, although very nice, rifle. The original idea was a drop-in upper receiver replacement- think like the HK M416. They failed to provide that, but the military decided to overlook it. FN-H is to the military what HK is to the civilian sector, sorta. By somewhat restricting themselves to the original plan, they hamstrung their ability to really do something awesome, instead turning out something with a lot of questionable design, a lot of unnecessary bulk, and a reciprocating charging handle.

Nothing still uses that. Especially when it's in a spot that a magwell grip will destroy your hand.

For the same price, I'd get an ACR.
What is this weapon?
Originially the Magpul Masada, now the Remington/Bushmaster ACR. Look it up.
It looks great, but the Wikipedia says there was a recall last year because pulling the trigger once would sometimes lead to the weapon firing multiple rounds. Is this an isolated problem or a real issue with the weapon?  
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:00 pm
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Jackie Flores
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It's an overpriced, although very nice, rifle. The original idea was a drop-in upper receiver replacement- think like the HK M416. They failed to provide that, but the military decided to overlook it. FN-H is to the military what HK is to the civilian sector, sorta. By somewhat restricting themselves to the original plan, they hamstrung their ability to really do something awesome, instead turning out something with a lot of questionable design, a lot of unnecessary bulk, and a reciprocating charging handle.

Nothing still uses that. Especially when it's in a spot that a magwell grip will destroy your hand.

For the same price, I'd get an ACR.
What is this weapon?
Originially the Magpul Masada, now the Remington/Bushmaster ACR. Look it up.
I'm wondering why it's sold to civilians by Bushmaster, but to the government by Remington.
production capacity of 2 companies.

not totally uncommon really. I mean how many different companies produced m1 rifles and carbines? and m16's to govt for that matter, i've seen a crap ton of m16's from many 3rd party companies i've never heard of.
Yeah, I kind of get the M1 thing, though. That was massive wartime production of main battle rifles. Russia was making PPSh's in goddamn auto body and tin shops. The ACR hasn't been officially adopted by any branch of the military AFAIK, and it's not selling in massive numbers to the public, so I don't see why it was necessary to tool up two production companies for it. I didn't know that other companies made M16s, though. I thought Colt had exclusive rights.  

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:03 pm
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Jackie Flores
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It's an overpriced, although very nice, rifle. The original idea was a drop-in upper receiver replacement- think like the HK M416. They failed to provide that, but the military decided to overlook it. FN-H is to the military what HK is to the civilian sector, sorta. By somewhat restricting themselves to the original plan, they hamstrung their ability to really do something awesome, instead turning out something with a lot of questionable design, a lot of unnecessary bulk, and a reciprocating charging handle.

Nothing still uses that. Especially when it's in a spot that a magwell grip will destroy your hand.

For the same price, I'd get an ACR.
What is this weapon?
Originially the Magpul Masada, now the Remington/Bushmaster ACR. Look it up.
I'm wondering why it's sold to civilians by Bushmaster, but to the government by Remington.
production capacity of 2 companies.

not totally uncommon really. I mean how many different companies produced m1 rifles and carbines? and m16's to govt for that matter, i've seen a crap ton of m16's from many 3rd party companies i've never heard of.
Yeah, I kind of get the M1 thing, though. That was massive wartime production of main battle rifles. Russia was making PPSh's in goddamn auto body and tin shops. The ACR hasn't been officially adopted by any branch of the military AFAIK, and it's not selling in massive numbers to the public, so I don't see why it was necessary to tool up two production companies for it. I didn't know that other companies made M16s, though. I thought Colt had exclusive rights.
maybe they're preparing for it to catch on or for someone to adopt it, idk.  
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:43 am
The problem with it magdumping was an issue with the conversion to semi-auto for the civilian market. It's been fixed, but was widespread with the first run of them.

The two companies has to do with marketing. They're owned by the same group, along with DPMS and one or two others. Remington has a really good reputation with the military, the R700-based sniper rifles have a perfect customer service record along with a great product being provided. Also, Remington already has contracts with the military, which gives them an edge- why the SCAR was even accepted at all. Bushmaster, on the other hand, is mostly a civilian/law enforcement company. Hence the division of versions.  

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:23 pm
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The problem with it magdumping was an issue with the conversion to semi-auto for the civilian market. It's been fixed, but was widespread with the first run of them.

The two companies has to do with marketing. They're owned by the same group, along with DPMS and one or two others. Remington has a really good reputation with the military, the R700-based sniper rifles have a perfect customer service record along with a great product being provided. Also, Remington already has contracts with the military, which gives them an edge- why the SCAR was even accepted at all. Bushmaster, on the other hand, is mostly a civilian/law enforcement company. Hence the division of versions.
Remington Civilian really is more of a bubbagun company, aren't they? The most tactical-looking weapon they offer is the 887 Tactical, and it's got a grand total of 6" of rail.

On the other hand, The 20 and 30mm Bushmaster chainguns' name can't be a coincidence, can it? Wikipedia says McDonnell Douglas and Alliant Techsystems designed and built them, but the name is just too unique to be a coincidence, IMO.  
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:18 pm
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The problem with it magdumping was an issue with the conversion to semi-auto for the civilian market. It's been fixed, but was widespread with the first run of them.

The two companies has to do with marketing. They're owned by the same group, along with DPMS and one or two others. Remington has a really good reputation with the military, the R700-based sniper rifles have a perfect customer service record along with a great product being provided. Also, Remington already has contracts with the military, which gives them an edge- why the SCAR was even accepted at all. Bushmaster, on the other hand, is mostly a civilian/law enforcement company. Hence the division of versions.
Remington Civilian really is more of a bubbagun company, aren't they? The most tactical-looking weapon they offer is the 887 Tactical, and it's got a grand total of 6" of rail.

On the other hand, The 20 and 30mm Bushmaster chainguns' name can't be a coincidence, can it? Wikipedia says McDonnell Douglas and Alliant Techsystems designed and built them, but the name is just too unique to be a coincidence, IMO.
Pretty much, more hunting, rather than tactical.

Bushmaster is the name for a family of pitvipers, so yes, it's coincidence. My company name is "Bushmaster" too.  

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