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 Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:25 am
Krissim Klaw Ok, time for a big Krissim pet peev. It is not a good idea to pm someone you don't know and go, will you draw for me? Like the artist is just going to drop to a their hands and knees and do a complete stranger free picture. rolleyes talk2hand It is ok to ask if they are willing to do art, but do it nicely. For instance. I really like your art and was wondering if you do commissions? I have "say please and thank you" for both commissionner and artist. Shall I add "Don't ask for free art from people you don't even know"?
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:43 am
Zella L. I have "say please and thank you" for both commissionner and artist. Shall I add "Don't ask for free art from people you don't even know"?
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:23 pm
EDIT: Uh, never mind? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:51 pm
Another pet peeve of mine would have to be the threads begging for free art. People don't even put forth the effort to save up some pixilated money to buy art. It just shows they don't have any concept or consideration for how much work can go into a piece. If art were so fun and easy to do, everyone would be able to do it and make money at it.
This being said, there are a lot of great and generous artists who often attempt to help these art beggers out by offering their services cheap or doing free art. That is one of the reasons I just ignore the threads instead of ranting on the person about how they should at least put some effort into saving up some gold if nothing more.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:55 pm
Firstly, I would like to say that I, as the buyer of said art, have certain expectations. If these expectations are not lived up to, then that artist will not recieve any money/gold from me. I was patient. I waited for more than enough time. And still this artist will not deliver. So I said that I don't want to wait any longer. Sorry, but I'm just not patient enough for some people. I want my art as quick as possible. It should take perhaps a max of three weeks to finish any piece of small art, that is if you work at it every day. I know you have a life, but if you say you're going to do something, then do it. That's what I wanted, and if you can't do it quick enough for me, then that's that and I don't want my art from you.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:11 pm
FogSage Firstly, I would like to say that I, as the buyer of said art, have certain expectations. If these expectations are not lived up to, then that artist will not recieve any money/gold from me. I was patient. I waited for more than enough time. And still this artist will not deliver. So I said that I don't want to wait any longer. Sorry, but I'm just not patient enough for some people. I want my art as quick as possible. It should take perhaps a max of three weeks to finish any piece of small art, that is if you work at it every day. I know you have a life, but if you say you're going to do something, then do it. That's what I wanted, and if you can't do it quick enough for me, then that's that and I don't want my art from you. There's also the inspiration factor. Poor someone has been waiting for art from me for months, only because I can't get inspired. Though if the commissioner doesn't want to wait, they should probably specify that before commissioning. There is a limit, on the other hand, as to what is an acceptable time limit. You can always request your money back, except if they've started. Then perhaps you should consider comprimise and pay for how much they've done so far.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:15 pm
As a person who does free art.. well, I don't really know what to say. I've never ever been randomly PMed with an art request, because I usually put my bad art in my sig and I mostly do my business with people who have art request threads over PMs and IMs and such... but it would be nice if people wouldn't be like "OMG MAY I HAVE ANOTHER." gonk I just worked my butt off to get this free colored full body cg to you in under an hour and you want ANOTHER one?... I'm tired, yo...
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:21 pm
I agree with Fog to a point....
Back when I was taking a few commissions, I would always try to set a deadline for a sketch... I'd just say "I'll do my best to have a sketch of the piece to you by ____. If I cannot, I will let you know." I really only had one person who's sketch took longer than I thought, and that's because I had a lot of stuff come up on the weekend I was planning to do it. I never got a whole lot of free time after that, so I told the guy, I'll get the piece finished, and it'll be free of charge because I cannot meet the deadline I set."
Now outrageous deadlines like three days or whatever for a full color piece with lots of details....I think that's insane and you should be charged extra for such a request.
I'd say a good rule is:
Artist-wise ~ Come to a conclusion on a deadline, whether it be 3 weeks from now, or if the commissioner just wants the piece within the next 2 years.
Commissioner-wise ~ Be patient with deadlines, artists are not always able to finish a piece in the original time they plan. If you request a deadline or less than a month, offer to pay some extra for the rush, and be sure to tell the artist of your expectations.
That's just my thoughts about it. I know if I ever do another commission, I'll start at a base price, if it takes longer than I expected, I'll offer a price reduction, and if it continues to stretch out, I will offer the piece for free....and I know for a fact not all artists are like that. But I do not take kindly to nagging about "Hey, have you started it yet?"...a day later..."Hey, do you have a sketch already?"...three days later..."Come on...! I want to see it!". That just doesn't sit well with me, and it really reduces the amount of motivation I have to finish that piece in the first place.
Annnd this is why I really only draw for myself now. I did take one commission this year, and that was only to give a friend a birthday present, because he wanted something furry related, and the best I could offer was a portrait of his fursona.
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:22 pm
Nekoyaki As a person who does free art.. well, I don't really know what to say. I've never ever been randomly PMed with an art request, because I usually put my bad art in my sig and I mostly do my business with people who have art request threads over PMs and IMs and such... but it would be nice if people wouldn't be like "OMG MAY I HAVE ANOTHER." gonk I just worked my butt off to get this free colored full body cg to you in under an hour and you want ANOTHER one?... I'm tired, yo...
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:32 pm
[ Grynn Wolf ] Nekoyaki As a person who does free art.. well, I don't really know what to say. I've never ever been randomly PMed with an art request, because I usually put my bad art in my sig and I mostly do my business with people who have art request threads over PMs and IMs and such... but it would be nice if people wouldn't be like "OMG MAY I HAVE ANOTHER." gonk I just worked my butt off to get this free colored full body cg to you in under an hour and you want ANOTHER one?... I'm tired, yo... s'fine. biggrin I can do you up another, better one if you like..? One that's not just your head, I mean, if you'll just PM me your reference pic again.. :3
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:38 pm
[ Grynn Wolf ] I agree with Fog to a point....
Back when I was taking a few commissions, I would always try to set a deadline for a sketch... I'd just say "I'll do my best to have a sketch of the piece to you by ____. If I cannot, I will let you know." I really only had one person who's sketch took longer than I thought, and that's because I had a lot of stuff come up on the weekend I was planning to do it. I never got a whole lot of free time after that, so I told the guy, I'll get the piece finished, and it'll be free of charge because I cannot meet the deadline I set."
Now outrageous deadlines like three days or whatever for a full color piece with lots of details....I think that's insane and you should be charged extra for such a request.
I'd say a good rule is:
Artist-wise ~ Come to a conclusion on a deadline, whether it be 3 weeks from now, or if the commissioner just wants the piece within the next 2 years.
Commissioner-wise ~ Be patient with deadlines, artists are not always able to finish a piece in the original time they plan. If you request a deadline or less than a month, offer to pay some extra for the rush, and be sure to tell the artist of your expectations.
That's just my thoughts about it. I know if I ever do another commission, I'll start at a base price, if it takes longer than I expected, I'll offer a price reduction, and if it continues to stretch out, I will offer the piece for free....and I know for a fact not all artists are like that. But I do not take kindly to nagging about "Hey, have you started it yet?"...a day later..."Hey, do you have a sketch already?"...three days later..."Come on...! I want to see it!". That just doesn't sit well with me, and it really reduces the amount of motivation I have to finish that piece in the first place.
Annnd this is why I really only draw for myself now. I did take one commission this year, and that was only to give a friend a birthday present, because he wanted something furry related, and the best I could offer was a portrait of his fursona. I give artists 3 months before I give them a little nudge about what I commissioned. That's only if I've already paid, though. If I haven't paid and I know that this artist is spewing out art and my name is a few slots down from the top, then I generally give them 4-6 months before I give them the nudge. The longest I've waited was a year for artwork and don't even ask me what it was of. Of course, this is always different between the commissioners, but I don't mind waiting as long as I get the art at one point.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:10 pm
I actually have a question that wasn't really pointed out...if someone makes something that's wrong, is it polite to ask them if you can edit it?
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:57 pm
Zella L. I actually have a question that wasn't really pointed out...if someone makes something that's wrong, is it polite to ask them if you can edit it? Yes. But I would only ask if it's the sketch stage where it can easily be fixed.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:02 pm
Kakarotto-san Zella L. I actually have a question that wasn't really pointed out...if someone makes something that's wrong, is it polite to ask them if you can edit it? Yes. But I would only ask if it's the sketch stage where it can easily fixed. How about if the commissioner wants to do it themselves? That being said, once you commission a piece, do you have to ask if you can use it in your sig, a banner, cropping, resizing, reposting, adding text to, "auto coloring" (a function in photoshop, though I'm sure you know that Kago), removing the background...is there a specified limit? And of course as long as you still don't claim it as your own, and don't remove the signature if it is there?
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:15 pm
I have a question. I do a lot of free/cheap pieces but I need some extra cash and set up a paypal, DA and FA account so I could start actually selling my art for real money. But I feel bad demanding payment and have no idea what to charge. When it's been for gaia gold, I've just told people to give me whatever they feel is fair (usually between 1 and 5k), but that tends to annoy people and I get paid a small amount. I'd feel awful charging a lot for my work though. x__X
A) was it really that bad of me to let them choose how much they paid?
B) not really ediqiuette, but an art question none the less...How can I decide how much to charge?
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