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 Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:58 pm
Yami no Hitokiri I never got the impression that Kenshin in his Battousai state would turn on Kaoru and the others. Even as Battousai, Kenshin still recognizes his friends and won't hurt them. He's just a bit more ruthless in his defense of what he loves than he is as the Rurouni. His main fear was that Shishio and men like him would target Kaoru and the others if he stayed in Tokyo, which is why he left. He also knew that he could possibly be going to his death and I think wanted to spare her that pain as much as anything else. points i never even thought of.....nice job!
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:17 am
Akira_Hoshino Well, the reason I can't see it your way has nothing to do with disagreeing with your theory - it's just that I don't accept Reflection as the truth. Watsuki did not write it and he even said he does not like it as much as he likes his own happy ending he wrote for Kenshin. I'm a purist, and as far as I'm concerned if it didn't come straight from the author, it's not true. That's not to say I didn't like Reflection - I did, I enjoyed it very much. It was heartwrenching and made me cry. But even though the characters were from Ruroken, they seemed more like cosplayers to me. None of them were anything like the Kenshin-gumi I'd come to know and love. So while the final scene where Kaoru dies and whatnot ripped my heart out, I consoled myself with the knowledge that Reflection is little more than fanfiction. You seem to hold Reflection in high regard and consider it truth. That's fine if it's your opinion, but we're never going to agree there. If we were talking exclusively about Reflection Kenshin and Kaoru, I might agree with you a little bit more. Certainly on the subject of Kenshin leaving Kaoru again to wander and then join the war - when I saw that in Reflection my reaction was, "Kenshin would never do that!" and I felt so bad for poor Kaoru and Kenji. But the fact remains that I consider Reflection just a story written to make money, and the truth lies in Volume 29 of Rurouni Kenshin. In other words, we're never going to agree, but smile each to his own! It's good to have different opinions, and I think it's great you feel so strongly for Kaoru - more people should recognize her strength and admirable qualities. You are right since i have no other end to go to for these series i got Reflection's as the only truth end.I liked Reflection but it did show a darker side to the characters that were from the Series. I just don't get if the series was going so well why they didn't show the two last episodes of the real end and left us with Reflection as you said a reason to make money. It's sad how people had the capacity, the resources and the opportunity to create an Ova out of a wonderful series and just really didn't know what to do with it. crying
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:11 pm
Yeah, I know. It was so annoying that they just gave us a whole bunch of crappy filler episodes following the end of the Shishio arc. cry
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:19 pm
That's the million-dollar question. They could've animated the entire Jinchuu Arc in the OVA, without even bothering with the Rememberance part, since that's in Tsuiokuhen. Some parts would undoubtedly have to have been cut since they were only 90 minutes, but surely they could've at least included Gein, the corpse doll, Rakuninmura and Oibore, who were so important to the story.
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:00 pm
Yeah, seriously! If you go by Seisouhen only and haven't read the manga, you'll be totally lost as to why Enishi is so threatening. It doesn't go into his past in Shanghai or his huge enterprise or anything. Grrness!
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:23 am
Yami no Hitokiri That's the million-dollar question. They could've animated the entire Jinchuu Arc in the OVA, without even bothering with the Rememberance part, since that's in Tsuiokuhen. Some parts would undoubtedly have to have been cut since they were only 90 minutes, but surely they could've at least included Gein, the corpse doll, Rakuninmura and Oibore, who were so important to the story. It would of been bad a*s to see Kenshin's face when he saw Kaoru's doll in an Ova way. How he gets depress and isolates himself to die. Dam! I guess we have just the manga to go to.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:15 am
It's true. Theres just ONE thing though. WITHOUT Kaoru and her love for him he prolly never would have survived fighting Shishio. Do you remember in the last few episodes there were some flash backs? Well, in a few of them it is realy only him and Kaoru and some with just her in it. Also, in one of the episodes, he asks her to marry him (from what I remember so maybe not) But SERIOUSLY. Without her he'd prolly never survive. Plus he WOULDN"T be complete.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:21 am
Kenshin definately deserved Kaoru. I don't have much else to say on the subject for it has already been said.
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:29 pm
River1 It's true. Theres just ONE thing though. WITHOUT Kaoru and her love for him he prolly never would have survived fighting Shishio. Do you remember in the last few episodes there were some flash backs? Well, in a few of them it is realy only him and Kaoru and some with just her in it. Also, in one of the episodes, he asks her to marry him (from what I remember so maybe not) But SERIOUSLY. Without her he'd prolly never survive. Plus he WOULDN"T be complete. That was the episode called Kaoru ecstatic. when Kenshin gave Kaoru the engangement ring not really knowing what he was actually doing!
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:00 pm
mpicaz82 River1 It's true. Theres just ONE thing though. WITHOUT Kaoru and her love for him he prolly never would have survived fighting Shishio. Do you remember in the last few episodes there were some flash backs? Well, in a few of them it is realy only him and Kaoru and some with just her in it. Also, in one of the episodes, he asks her to marry him (from what I remember so maybe not) But SERIOUSLY. Without her he'd prolly never survive. Plus he WOULDN"T be complete. That was the episode called Kaoru ecstatic. when Kenshin gave Kaoru the engangement ring not really knowing what he was actually doing! Oh! HAHAHA! But he DOES say LET'S GET MARRIED! Didn't he?
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:04 pm
sweatdrop Not to my recollection. Unless the dub does it differently. (I never watched the dub 'cept for a couple of the earlier episodes just to hear the dumb dub voice actors.) He thinks it's her birthday.
But they eventually get married... so I suppose he must propose sometime... though I think it might go something more like this:
Kenshin and Kaoru *quietly sipping tea under a beautiful full moon while wearing comfortable evening kimonos and yukatas*
Kaoru: ... Kenshin?
Kenshin: Hai? Kaoru-dono.
Kaoru: ... Uh... That kitchen wall really needs to be patched up.
Kenshin: Hai, Kaoru-dono.
Kaoru: ... Kenshin? You know... we really need some new firewood for the bath.
Kenshin: Hai, Kaoru-dono. It will be quite cold in winter if we don't have more wood.
Kaoru: Winter? biggrin Kenshin...
Kenshin: Hai? Kaoru-dono.
Kaoru: ... In winter... do you want me to... buy you a warmer kimono?
Kenshin: Aa, hai de gozaru. It will be quite cold.
Kaoru: *purr*
Next week: *marriage*
Ahahaha... the subtle proposal of, "I just don't think I'll ever be leaving." XD
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:28 pm
You know ... its funny I used to think the same way. "Poor Kaoru. Kenshin is just draggin her along." And then I lost the guy I feel head over heels for and I realized how Kenshin really felt. Sure the guy didnt die but still the feelings of losing the one you love is not something that anyone should have to experince more then once. (And I say that because I think its good to know what it feels like, and to never take love for granted then)
I think Kenshin did what he did because first off he didnt want to fall in love only to have that fear of losing her all the time. Just look at what happened in the volume where "spoilers" where kaoru "died." he didnt go to her funeral. Of course it coudl be saying a lot of different things. But i thought i should just point that out. You never really know how much you love someone until you lose them
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:12 pm
Sky~Samurai You know ... its funny I used to think the same way. "Poor Kaoru. Kenshin is just draggin her along." And then I lost the guy I feel head over heels for and I realized how Kenshin really felt. Sure the guy didnt die but still the feelings of losing the one you love is not something that anyone should have to experince more then once. (And I say that because I think its good to know what it feels like, and to never take love for granted then) I think Kenshin did what he did because first off he didnt want to fall in love only to have that fear of losing her all the time. Just look at what happened in the volume where "spoilers" where kaoru "died." he didnt go to her funeral. Of course it coudl be saying a lot of different things. But i thought i should just point that out. You never really know how much you love someone until you lose them And you are right, It just kind of bothers me that since life goes off so sudden why did he take all his time to finally be with her.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:08 am
well first of all the OVA you're pointing out wasnt really the ending even the writer of the manga nobohiro watsuki did not agree with it. and i agree with him, honestly leaving her for shishio was hard enough he would never do that again ><
second you cant really control true love, they both loved eachother soo much it's wrong to stop it. besides she didnt care about his past she was a really strong woman. like megumi said in the OVA "that's why he picked you" she was strong and smiled regardless of what happened to her. and honestly kenshin is almost as strong, what he went through would have drawn any man to insanity, even suicide. but he persevered
and third THEY ARE THE CUTEST COUPLE and their son is adoreable, kenji is just cute as a button. specially in the manga, and in the anime he's hardcore. but anyway kenshin and kaoru are like my favorite couple
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:11 am
AHURA MAZDA Ormazd River1 It's true. Theres just ONE thing though. WITHOUT Kaoru and her love for him he prolly never would have survived fighting Shishio. Do you remember in the last few episodes there were some flash backs? Well, in a few of them it is realy only him and Kaoru and some with just her in it. Also, in one of the episodes, he asks her to marry him (from what I remember so maybe not) But SERIOUSLY. Without her he'd prolly never survive. Plus he WOULDN"T be complete. That was the episode called Kaoru ecstatic. when Kenshin gave Kaoru the engangement ring not really knowing what he was actually doing! that was such a funny episode, i was like on the ground crying cuz i was laughing so hard like amost all of the episode, even had to rewind cuz i was laughint too hard to notice what was happeing next
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