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Macabre_Cogitation
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:00 pm
In all honesty, the reason they always describe what the person was wearing, is because well, honestly:

A TRENCH COAT IS A DAMN GOOD WAY TO HIDE ANY WEAPON.

I know, for I wear one, avidly, and now how to use it to full potential.
Although, I don't want to go around shooting people at school, to messy and hard to ensure an escape.

Then, they talk about how he had a VF profile, is telling people that most of the time: you can use a person's profile to evaluate what they are thinking of (considering it stated "left a blog similar to that of Eric and Dylan's").

There has been multiple cases where MySpace has been attacked, even Xanga, in a similar manner.

Anyone remember a few months back about some kids in Kansas, where I live, who were going to mimick the Columbine Shootings, but were stopped because some lady read about what they were planning on MySpace.

That's why they mentioned the two.

Post Script: In reality, I'm warry of others wearing trench coats to my school, for I don't know them and some of them seem overly agressive. So I keep a sharp eye on them. Just as a precation so they don't mess things up for the rest of us.  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:26 pm
Lady Detarra
UraniumMonk
I was going to start a thread about this, but I see it has already been done. I was just thining about this a moment ago: what if he had been an avid hip-hop fan? Would they dare blame the hip-hop culture? I doubt it, even though it has a much more violent history. Now I'm going to have to be careful about wearing trench coats again, lest some n00bsauce calls the coppers on me. mad


Voltaire (the musician) actually asked that same question in an interview. And since I still cant figure out how to put youtube videos in here, here is the link to it Voltaire Interview

It seems really ironic, since about half the shootings that took place in my home town were committed by people who very clearly fit the hip-hop image, and witnesses of the most recent drive by described rap music coming from the vehicle. Yet despite the well known violent connections (gangsta rap? Come on now) hip-hop doesn't receive the same sort of profiling as goth. When a kid dresses like a gang member, the schools don't really give a s**t (at least my school never did), but wearing a trench coat was serious business.  

UraniumMonk


trampyre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:11 pm
UraniumMonk
I was going to start a thread about this, but I see it has already been done. I was just thining about this a moment ago: what if he had been an avid hip-hop fan? Would they dare blame the hip-hop culture? I doubt it, even though it has a much more violent history. Now I'm going to have to be careful about wearing trench coats again, lest some n00bsauce calls the coppers on me. mad


I think they would. It is the nature of the press to create hysteria, in order to sell more. They don't care about being ethical, politically correct, and so forth. They care about selling. And that means pointing fingers, to create a scapegoat, to anger the public, because they like being angry about things...anger feels good, and makes us buy things.  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:21 pm
UraniumMonk
Lady Detarra
UraniumMonk
I was going to start a thread about this, but I see it has already been done. I was just thining about this a moment ago: what if he had been an avid hip-hop fan? Would they dare blame the hip-hop culture? I doubt it, even though it has a much more violent history. Now I'm going to have to be careful about wearing trench coats again, lest some n00bsauce calls the coppers on me. mad


Voltaire (the musician) actually asked that same question in an interview. And since I still cant figure out how to put youtube videos in here, here is the link to it Voltaire Interview

It seems really ironic, since about half the shootings that took place in my home town were committed by people who very clearly fit the hip-hop image, and witnesses of the most recent drive by described rap music coming from the vehicle. Yet despite the well known violent connections (gangsta rap? Come on now) hip-hop doesn't receive the same sort of profiling as goth. When a kid dresses like a gang member, the schools don't really give a s**t (at least my school never did), but wearing a trench coat was serious business.


Hip-hop has become more mainstream, but I think black people still get the stigma associated with the "gansta" stereotype, whether or not they listen to the music or dress the part. The only difference is, a lot of it goes unspoken because it would be racist to make that association. The point is it is an insidious problem that many people of different stereotypes face. Stereotyping, of all kinds, is itself the problem.

We goths are not a race, religion, sex, or gender/sexual orientation; we might possibly fit roughly into the "creed" category, but only roughly at best. We are a stereotype, yet do not fit into any protected category of human rights pertaining to "gothness". Gothness in the public eye has always held negative (or "dark") associations. Therefore we are an ideal scapegoat. Because we are not a protected subcategory of human being, yet band together under common (and conveniently "dark") interests, we are the perfect scapegoats.  

trampyre


Dirzdra

PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:12 pm
the almighty beefcake
I think that this is crap. They are citing evidence from online blogs which are specifically created to allow a person to vent his feelings and thoughts with anonymity. I myself have said many similar things on online blogs and forums. I think that this steryotyping of the depressed and manic goth going around shooting people is overused in popular culture. In reality most people who decide for some reason or another to kill another are fairly normal people in most aspects of their lives. The most diabolical of killers and the ultimately more disturbed individuals are people like Jeffrey Dommer, pepople we would not suspect.

Last time I checked, a normal teenager can't talk security into letting him/her in the Vice-President's office. Yeah, Jeffrey Dommer did that when he took a class trip in high school and was being led through a tour of the white house, at least that is what I have been told by an English teacher I had last year.

It does seem true that a lot of killers seem like "good" and "normal" people. In other words, the killer is a sociopath/psychopath.

back to the subject
If people make a connection of the crimes committed by a particular individual to how they dress and act on a daily basis, I feel sorry for their simple minds that have been too heavily influenced by the press, movies, books, and other writings. However, if the police make this connection, I'll give them a stamp of practicing pseudoscience!!! I agree with Macabre_Cogitation on the fact that a trench coat is a good way to hide a weapon, but what does the color have to do with anything? It was stated in the beginning if you don't remember. Don't give me that "it hides the blood" BS, because it's already common knowledge that a black light can brighten up those stains that can't be seen by the naked eye.  
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:29 am
VividGreenDawn
Because of these instances they will judge us as a community. The thing that pisses me off the most is that when a Goth does something, they blame us all, and when a regular person does something, they simply wonder why "such a nice guy" could snap.

I am simpathetic for those involved and his family, as well as him.

Good luck to those of us who go to school, they will most likely outlaw trench coats now, as well as try to put you all in counseling.


Trench Coats are already outlawed.  

Nazo no Kanjojin


Al-aaraaf

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:43 am
Indeed trench coats are outlawed.
My friend once got in deep trouble for wearing a mere cloak.

Anyway, yes this was sad and it should not have happened.
But I am pissed off about the continual blaming of Goths.

And, this would probably be a good time for me to postpone working on my horror story, lest I get sent back to counciling.  
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:11 pm
What the hell is up with the trench coats, anyway? Are they trying to look badass? Here's a way more badass look, but you never hear of that happening
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UraniumMonk


-Resurrected Writer-
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:29 pm
Al-araaf
Indeed trench coats are outlawed.
My friend once got in deep trouble for wearing a mere cloak.

Anyway, yes this was sad and it should not have happened.
But I am pissed off about the continual blaming of Goths.

And, this would probably be a good time for me to postpone working on my horror story, lest I get sent back to counciling.


Thankfully my counselor doesn't know that I do that... ninja  
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:09 pm
Lady Detarra
I was just on comcast.net and this is one of the news headlines.



Montreal Gunman Wrote of Death, Hatred
By PHIL COUVRETTE, Associated Press Writer


MONTREAL - A man with a black trench coat whose shooting rampage in a Montreal college killed one person and wounded 19 others before he was slain by police said on a blog in his name that he liked to play a role-playing Internet game about the Columbine shootings.

The gunman who opened fire at Dawson College on Wednesday was Kimveer Gill, 25, of Laval, near Montreal, a police official said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity because authorities were not ready to announce it publicly yet. He also said police had searched Gill's home.

Six shooting victims remained in critical condition, including two in extremely critical condition.

A woman who answered the phone at the Gill's home and said he was her son described him as "a good man."

"Just ask anybody. Ask the neighbors. He was a good son," the woman told The Associated Press. She refused to give her name.

The woman added that police took his computer. "I don't know what they found in the computer. They took everything," she said.

Quebec provincial police Lt. Francois Dore said authorities were waiting for autopsy results before officially identifying the killer, but "everything leads us to believe that it is, in fact, this Mr. Gill."

In postings on a Web site called VampireFreaks.com, blogs in Gill's name show more than 50 photos depicting the young man in various poses holding a rifle and donning a black trench coat and combat boots.

One photo has a tombstone with his name printed on it and the epitaph: "Lived fast died young. Left a mangled corpse."

The last of six journal entries Wednesday was posted at 10:41 a.m, about two hours before the gunmen was shot to death at Dawson.

He said on the site that he was drinking whiskey in the morning and described his mood the night before as "crazy" and "postal."

He said on the site that he liked to play "Super Columbine Massacre," an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two of its students that left 13 people dead.

"His name is Trench. you will come to know him as the Angel of Death," he wrote on his vampirefreaks.com profile. "He is not a people person. He has met a handful of people in his life who are decent. But he finds the vast majority to be worthless, no good, conniving, betraying, lying, deceptive."

He wrote that he hates jocks, preppies, country music and hip-hop.

"Work sucks ... school sucks ... life sucks ... what else can I say? ... Life is a video game you've got to die sometime," he added.

Below a picture of Gill aiming the barrel of a gun at the camera there's the inscription: "I think I have an obsession with guns ... muahahaha."

"Anger and hatred simmers within me," said another caption below a picture of Gill grimacing.

He wrote that he is 6-foot-1, was born in Montreal and is of Indian heritage. He said his weakness is laziness and that he fears nothing. Responding to the question, "How do you want to die?" Gill replied "like Romeo and Juliet _ or in a hail of gunfire."

Gill wore a black trench coat during the shooting and opened fire in the cafeteria just as Columbine students Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris did in 1999. Gill also maintained an online blog, similar to Klebold and Harris, devoted to Goth culture, heavy metal music such as Marilyn Manson, guns and journal entries expressing hatred against authority figures and "society."

A neighbor who lives across the street from Gill said he was a loner.

"There were never any friends," Louise Leykauf said. "He kept to himself. He always wore dark clothing."

Another neighbor, Mariola Trutschnigg, said she noticed a changed in appearance in recent months when he "started wearing a mohawk and black clothes."

A 23-year-old man and a 12-year-old girl accused in a triple murder in Medicine Hat, Alberta, earlier this year also had profiles on vampirefreaks.com.

Montreal Police Chief Yvan Delorme said the lessons learned from other mass shootings had taught police to try to stop such assaults as quickly as possible.

"Before our technique was to establish a perimeter around the place and wait for the SWAT team. Now the first police officers go right inside. The way they acted saved lives," he said.

Witnesses said Gill started shooting outside the college, then entered the second-floor cafeteria and opened fire without uttering a word. At times, he hid behind vending machines before emerging to take aim _ at one point at a teenager who tried to photograph him with his cell phone.

Police dismissed suggestions that terrorism played a role in the lunch-hour attack.

The gunman opened fire haphazardly at no target in particular, until he saw the police and took aim at them, Delorme said.

Police hid behind a wall as they exchanged fire with the gunman, whose back was against a vending machine, said student Andrea Barone, who was in the cafeteria. He said the officers proceeded cautiously because many students were trapped around the assailant, who yelled "Get back! Get back!" every time an officer tried to move closer.

Eventually, Barone said, the gunman went down in a hail of gunfire.

Delorme said some officers were at the school on an unrelated matter when the shooting began. He said reinforcements were sent to the scene.

Scores of students fled into the streets when the shooting broke out. Some had clothes stained with blood; others cried and clung to each other. Two nearby shopping centers and a daycare center also were evacuated and subway service was disrupted.

"I was terrified. The guy was shooting at people randomly. He didn't care, he was just shooting at everybody," said student Devansh Smri Vastava. "There were cops firing. It was so crazy."

The gunman had a rapid-fire rifle and two other weapons, police said, without elaborating.

Although they initially suggested the gunman had killed himself, Delorme said later that "based on current information, the suspect was killed by police."

"Today we have witnessed a cowardly and senseless act of violence unfold at Montreal's Dawson College," Prime Minister Stephen Harper said. "Our primary concern right now is to ensure the safety and recovery of all those who were injured during this tragedy."

The school was closed until Monday.

Canada's worst mass shooting took place in Montreal when gunman Marc Lepine, 25, killed 14 women at the Ecole Polytechnic on Dec. 6, 1989, before shooting himself.

That shooting spurred efforts for new gun laws achieved mainly as the results of efforts by survivors and relatives of Lepine's victims.

Dawson, with about 10,000 students, was the first English-language institution in Quebec's network of university preparatory colleges when it was founded in 1969.

yep were blammed alot my school has tooken it so far as to say we cant wear trench coat during school, but everything else is okay  

Hunter of the Dammed


Hunter of the Dammed

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:10 pm
Dead_Ed
Al-araaf
Indeed trench coats are outlawed.
My friend once got in deep trouble for wearing a mere cloak.

Anyway, yes this was sad and it should not have happened.
But I am pissed off about the continual blaming of Goths.

And, this would probably be a good time for me to postpone working on my horror story, lest I get sent back to counciling.


Thankfully my counselor doesn't know that I do that... ninja

my councler gave up pirate  
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:31 am
all i can say is he got his death wish. i guess thats all teh matters in teh end for him.


may odin bless him.  

Xyercies Uhtred Ragnar


UraniumMonk

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:57 am
More likely Odin would kick his a** for being a t**t and not using a battle axe.  
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:16 am
Poor vampirefreaks getting blamed for at least 3 murderers behaviors. Why cant people ver just catch on to the fact that these people didnt kill because of the way they dressed... they just ******** up?!  

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