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 Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:46 am
Don't mind the quotes. I'm just too lazy to organize my post. Captain Verd Well, we found out Kakuzu has five hearts, which should really narrow down the target range to "Head", but okay. Quote: Already knew that. Well, mostly. I thought they had 5 brains but a heart has brain tissue. Near enough; killing them is still the same. Captain Verd Much like Sailor Moon, the bad guys are courteous Captain Verd enough to wait for the good guys to secretly whisper plans/transform before attacking them. That part was stupid... it was like... Shikamaru: HEY, KAKUZU!! Kakuzu: YEAHH? Shikamaru: WE'RE GOING TO DISTRACT YOU, OKAY?! *thumbs up* Kakuzu: ALRIGHT!! Captain Verd Shikamaru, wHaT a GuY. Call me up and ask me how much I care. rolleyes Rather than make him seem ze brave hero of the situation, it makes me think the rest of Team 10 is crazy useless. No Ino, you can't do that; you suck. No Chouji, you can't do that; you'll bleed, but I won't. Like oh my god, I think Ino and Chouji need some more action fighting time, rather than "HAAAAY GUYS, LOOK AT ME I'M DISTRACTING SO SHIKAMARU CAN DELIVER THE FINAL BLOW biggrin DDDDDD". That's because you pretend to hate him. All the Shikamaru fans I know were exploding. Either with rage (at him for being so stupid) or with ecstasy (for him doing something DARING for once). Shikamaru takes risks, but not personal risks. He jumped at Hidan. My guess is next chapter he'll jump back with a stab wound of some sort. It'll be the end. I just hope it isn't because it would be awfully uncool. He told Ino she couldn't because her attack is far too fluid. It misses more than half of the time. With his help, it sometimes STILL misses because of it's range. Chouji could have helped, but he doesn't have the agility to avoid and attack from Hidan. Ino does, but she doesn't have the strength to do whatever... Shikamaru's point was mostly that the only way to stop him was with his shadow. Captain Verd I realize it's supposed to be all DUJ DUJ DUJ dramatic, but it just ended uo being another chapter of long-winded explainations and nothing-happeneditis. Only if you hate team 10. I think a lot happened here. The mystery of that small object may be revealed in the upcoming chapters. You can't expect every chapter to have spectacular death or whatever. And because you "hate" Shikamaru, you didn't realize how suspenseful and risky what he did was. It's like me jumping at a 3000 pound Rhino, expecting to harm it.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:49 am
Nephite Warrior We found out how to take down Kakuzu, and that Shikamaru's shadow can lift and throw things(w00t?). I could've told you that. I already speculated that since the shadow can pierce and harm an object, it can also hold an object. My other speculation is that it may POSSIBLY be able to suspend Shikamaru. But I'm not sure how that would work. Say he was falling down some endless pit. Maybe it could grab onto a ledge... Not sure.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:55 am
This is what a lot of you don't seem to get. Shikamaru is the goddamn backbone of Team 10. Without him, Ino's attack has a very low success rate. Without him, Chouji's bulk loses a lot of it's use (though VS Jiroubu he did rather well). Compared to Ino and Chouji, yes, he's the man. His stats more than prove that, his accomplishments more than prove that. He is just plain better than them in a lot of ways, so of course he is going to take the harder job. He isn't the commander of their team because Ino or Chouji
LET him take the position. It's just LOGICAL for the stronger one to lead the cell. Yes, in this case it's Kakashi, but Kakashi trust's Shikamaru's judgement more than his own. Besides, you don't need to be whiners. He DID leave them with Kakuzu. Blame Kakashi for leaving them out of that one.
Shikamaru was making the best choices he could. I know you'd just love to see him mess up and get his friends killed, but he refuses to do that. He's practically giving his life instead of two. We don't know this yet, but it is VERY likely that he will be wounded by Hidan. And he knows that.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:56 am
Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Awww, Shika worries about his friends <=D...NOT! I think he's just trying to look cool... Damn, I must admit Hidan's pretty stupid, falling for it twice in the same battle? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY AWAY AND PAY ATTENTION YOU a*****e! So now all Kakashi, Chouji and Ino need to do is protect Shika, kill Kakuzu and his heart puppets... no big deal =/...but what about Hidan?... No one can protect him from Hidan but himself. And quite frankly, I don't trust him with it.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:56 am
Captain Verd Well consider: Asuma already cut Hidan's head off. He was still alive, but totally unable to do anything/defend himself without Kakuzu's help. If they can cut off Hidan's head again, he's still technically alive, but no longer a threat to Konoha whatsoever. Hidan's body was immobile. Unless they DESTROY his head, Kakuzu could just sew it to Hidan's body or even ANOTHER body.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:02 am
CrabappleRed Words cannot express how utterly crushed I was that Ino didn't get to do anything. Honestly. She always struck me as being more inventive than Sakura, after her rope-with-the-hair trick, and she';s supposed to be Sakura's rival, right? So shouldn't she be at least on a somewhat equal level? ARGH! I wanted to see her fight, but this clearly isn't her place. CrabappleRed And yeah, after the huuuuuuuuge long shpiel we got over and over about teamwork (and considering how beautifully team 10 used to work together) having Shikamaru hog the show is a real downer. So was the "let's stand around reciting exposition!" bit. I think you, just like everyone else complaining, are blind to the situation. You'd rather your favorite characters DIE? If Shikamaru made any other choice, they would have been killed. How can you hate it when it's the only good answer? Even now, it's still a bad answer. This whole mission was a seriously stupid idea. CrabappleRed While I don't mind that the main characters get most of the screen time (cuz, hello. Main characters!) I do mind that when the other characters show up they aren't used as well as they could be. Kishimoto will be the judge of that. He happens to like Shikamaru. Haven't you all been wondering why he's been throwing him in here so much? This part of the plot has NOTHING to do with the REAL plot; Naruto and Sasuke. CrabappleRed Frankly, I think Kishimoto is falling into the typical Shounen dilema, or DBZ syndrome: "I-can-destroy-the-universe/Well-I-can-destroy- two-universes!" No one has done anything that destructive. CrabappleRed He's created a set of characters with abilities that can be easilly used in very, very powerful ways. He hasn't given then a decent set of limits. Because of this, it makes it very hard for him to write drawn out battles without involving ludicrous power battles. And it's makes it almost impossible for him to write team fights, because a well set up team will absolutly destroy an unprepared one. Thus, he's forced to fall back on "all of you stand back while character X fights" battles. It's a damned shame. Naruto's rasengan couldn't destroy an acre of land; let a lone a planet. I don't see the ludicrous power you're talking about. Shikamaru and Ino are pretty damn weak in comparison to Kakashi and Chouji. Nothing is "impossible." Kishimoto can change anything he wants. He doesn't care how much fans complain; you're still reading it every week. CrabappleRed As a side note, I would easilly buy into Ino being a spy-master and a non-combat focusing ninja. . . if Kishimoto had ever bothered to give non-combat ninja any kind of worth. But we only ever see two types: out and out fighters, and the medics. Ino isn't a formal medic (I hope. Please, PLEASE don't let her be a full fledged medic!) and she's useless in combat apparently, so. . . what, she has no worth now? Feh. You can do better than that, Kishimoto! *peeved* It's the only thing she could really do. Is be a spy.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:09 am
Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Awww, Shika worries about his friends <=D...NOT! I think he's just trying to look cool... Damn, I must admit Hidan's pretty stupid, falling for it twice in the same battle? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY AWAY AND PAY ATTENTION YOU a*****e! So now all Kakashi, Chouji and Ino need to do is protect Shika, kill Kakuzu and his heart puppets... no big deal =/...but what about Hidan?... No one can protect him from Hidan but himself. And quite frankly, I don't trust him with it. Shika, Ino - Hidan. Kakashi, Chouji - Wind Puppet, Fire Puppet, Lighting Puppet and Kakuzu. Ino can use Shinteshin now, so if Ino succeeds then she can attack both Kakuzu and the puppets. Kakashi and Chouji got the toughest part D=, how can they handle all of them at the same time?
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:03 am
Are you seriously trying to start an arguement with me? I mean, I really don't know how much clearer I can make this to you, but I don't like Shikamaru.
That said, Chouji and Ino don't have to be useless in this situation. They are because Kishimoto says they are, which is what's annoying. It's not that Shikamaru has to be the big guy because they abilities of the enemies require it, because it's not Shikamaru's fault. I'm annoyed that Kishimoto made him out to be "The Man" in the situation, rather than focusing on some neat ol' teamwork and victory by the entire team.
Crabapple's metaphor for destructive power was just that. Obviously they haven't destroyed universes, it was just an example. And by using that example, she's correct. In the recent fights, it's been set up as "I have THIS jutsu", and "Well I have THIS forbidden jutsu" to fight everyone. Not in the Asumaland fights (although Akatsuki keeps doing it), but with Sasori/Sakura and Kakashi/Deidara fights.
I think you msised the point of how they could kill Hidan. What I was trying to get at was Kakuzu has to be dead in order for Hidan to die. Otherwise it wouldn't work.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:20 am
Captain Verd Are you seriously trying to start an arguement with me? I mean, I really don't know how much clearer I can make this to you, but I don't like Shikamaru. That said, Chouji and Ino don't have to be useless in this situation. They are because Kishimoto says they are, which is what's annoying. It's not that Shikamaru has to be the big guy because they abilities of the enemies require it, because it's not Shikamaru's fault. I'm annoyed that Kishimoto made him out to be "The Man" in the situation, rather than focusing on some neat ol' teamwork and victory by the entire team. Crabapple's metaphor for destructive power was just that. Obviously they haven't destroyed universes, it was just an example. And by using that example, she's correct. In the recent fights, it's been set up as "I have THIS jutsu", and "Well I have THIS forbidden jutsu" to fight everyone. Not in the Asumaland fights (although Akatsuki keeps doing it), but with Sasori/Sakura and Kakashi/Deidara fights. I think you msised the point of how they could kill Hidan. What I was trying to get at was Kakuzu has to be dead in order for Hidan to die. Otherwise it wouldn't work. That's pretty much it exactly. Kishimoto's being sloppy with his writing, and the big boys are degenerating into a mass of one-up manship in their fights. While it's nice that Shikamaru's abilities are being fully exploited, anyone with a bit of creativity could make fun-fun use of the rest of the team. Kakashi, for example. . . where are these thousand jutsus he's supposed to have coppied?! He's certanly not using them. And why hasn't Ino learned her dad's more advanced form of the family jutsu? And Chouji's a major heavy hitter! Send him after some of those blood puppets, maybe? *sigh* I don't know if they'd actually need to kill Kakuzu before taking out Hidan, though. Honestly, all they need to do is chop Hidan head off and then take it and run. Kakuzu can't reattach it if he can't get hold of it, right?
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:41 am
CrabappleRed Captain Verd Are you seriously trying to start an arguement with me? I mean, I really don't know how much clearer I can make this to you, but I don't like Shikamaru. That said, Chouji and Ino don't have to be useless in this situation. They are because Kishimoto says they are, which is what's annoying. It's not that Shikamaru has to be the big guy because they abilities of the enemies require it, because it's not Shikamaru's fault. I'm annoyed that Kishimoto made him out to be "The Man" in the situation, rather than focusing on some neat ol' teamwork and victory by the entire team. Crabapple's metaphor for destructive power was just that. Obviously they haven't destroyed universes, it was just an example. And by using that example, she's correct. In the recent fights, it's been set up as "I have THIS jutsu", and "Well I have THIS forbidden jutsu" to fight everyone. Not in the Asumaland fights (although Akatsuki keeps doing it), but with Sasori/Sakura and Kakashi/Deidara fights. I think you msised the point of how they could kill Hidan. What I was trying to get at was Kakuzu has to be dead in order for Hidan to die. Otherwise it wouldn't work. That's pretty much it exactly. Kishimoto's being sloppy with his writing, and the big boys are degenerating into a mass of one-up manship in their fights. While it's nice that Shikamaru's abilities are being fully exploited, anyone with a bit of creativity could make fun-fun use of the rest of the team. Kakashi, for example. . . where are these thousand jutsus he's supposed to have coppied?! He's certanly not using them. And why hasn't Ino learned her dad's more advanced form of the family jutsu? And Chouji's a major heavy hitter! Send him after some of those blood puppets, maybe? *sigh* I don't know if they'd actually need to kill Kakuzu before taking out Hidan, though. Honestly, all they need to do is chop Hidan head off and then take it and run. Kakuzu can't reattach it if he can't get hold of it, right? oh, but he will search it...or not =/, it would be better since he hates his partner XDD
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:56 am
CrabappleRed That's pretty much it exactly. Kishimoto's being sloppy with his writing, and the big boys are degenerating into a mass of one-up manship in their fights. While it's nice that Shikamaru's abilities are being fully exploited, anyone with a bit of creativity could make fun-fun use of the rest of the team. Kakashi, for example. . . where are these thousand jutsus he's supposed to have coppied?! He's certanly not using them. And why hasn't Ino learned her dad's more advanced form of the family jutsu? And Chouji's a major heavy hitter! Send him after some of those blood puppets, maybe? *sigh* I don't know if they'd actually need to kill Kakuzu before taking out Hidan, though. Honestly, all they need to do is chop Hidan head off and then take it and run. Kakuzu can't reattach it if he can't get hold of it, right? Too true. Not all of Kakashi's jutsus can take huge amounts of chakra like chidori. Unless they're useless, like shower no jutsu, you'd think he would try to use one once in awhile. Shikamaru even said Chouji was the strongest (in terms of brute strength) out of the team finding Sasuke. It would only make sense for him to go for a full on attack. If he's strong enough, maybe he could keep Kakuzu still long enough for Ino to use her techniques or something.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:17 pm
Shikalee That's because you pretend to hate him. Shikalee And because you "hate" Shikamaru, you didn't realize how suspenseful and risky what he did was. Yeah, I couldn't take the rest of your post seriously at all because of these little digs. Maybe you could try not "using" attempts like these to "annoy" people in your replies.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:15 pm
Hidan fufills his role as the slowest member of Atkatsuki.
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:50 pm
Though this chapter was a bit boring, it showed us that Kakashi can use the Rakirii more than three times. Which I found interesting.
AS with the other people being useless, im just hoping they get to help fight the shadow things.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:33 am
Mr._Stabby Though this chapter was a bit boring, it showed us that Kakashi can use the Rakirii more than three times. Which I found interesting. AS with the other people being useless, im just hoping they get to help fight the shadow things. Kakashi used 4 times I think, one went to waste trying to attack Hidan, the other hitted Kakuzu, and the other two were to stop the Raiton puppet.
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