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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:28 am
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:31 am
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1. Is the AT realy going to hell? Not anymore so then it has in the past. I don't know why after one day of drama everyone is flipping out about it when in the past the drama would go on for weeks and weeks. I think people are over reacting and making the sitiuation worse. People making peace movements for fair ratings, when we already have DARE. The they say DARE is in the past and is dead, which pisses me off because that is showing that the hope is not important, it's their bull headed movement.
2. Elitism and Favoritisim. I haven't noticed any elitism really, I think that's a paranoia thing. Any time an oldbie disagrees with a newer person, even if they don't bring up rank or status, it's considered Elitism. Personally I have always disagreed with people older and younger then me, not based on their status, just because I don't like what they are saying. But since I am an oldbie now, stating my opinion means getting burned alive. Favoritism has always been here and won't leave because there are always people willing to sell their grannies up the river to be noticed. Sadly you can't tell a person to their face after you get a 10/10 that they are lying. But I think the hate shouldn't be directed at the person getting the rate like it so often is, it's not their fault most of the time that people cult them.
3. Trolling / Flame ratings? I think it's gone down after Devisis's banning, even if he is back. People, if they disagreee that the mods do not want that kind of behavior is the forums. I dislike harsh ratings now becase it's not harsh, it's just some a*****e insulting you. That's not harsh, that is simply retarded.
4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about? it's about Oldbies who ruin it for all of us by running around talking status and Newbies who want a witch hunt everytime they feel insecure. It goes both ways but mostly it's all in people's heads.
5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand? Certainly. Everyone blames me for that flame war the other day when I didn't even comment in the person's leaving thread, they came and commented in tastick's thread. The person I fought with wasn't even her friend really or addressed, she just started telling me to STFU.
PhoenixEve Rurill fAsHiOn wHoRe
..+.+.. Rurill, don't listen to them. >O Make as many leaving threads as you want, we've all done it before and I dunno why they're making a big deal of yours. mad mad mad heart
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And I really dont want to come back.. no not anymore. It's not because anyone dislikes you, stop acting like everyone is out to get you. Everyone who makes an attention grabbing leaving thread gets treated that same. As Page Boy said earlier in her thread, there has been too many of these made for attention and pity value alone, and most people come back anyway. If you felt like no one would miss you and everyone would hate you, why did you make the thread in the first place? Because you wanted your friends to know? You could have just PMed them. You wanted people to notice you, and they did, just not the way you wanted. You made an attention grabbing thread, putting you're leaving in a thread title always does that. Any attention, positive or negative, you brought on yourself. If you can't stay on Gaia because some people don't like you and there are a bunch of your friends begging to stay, then you missed the point of socializing. NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO LIKE YOU! Stop trying to prove how many people don't like you or notice you and enjoy the people that do like you.
That is what I wrote that started the flame war, it was stated rude, but hey, it's all true. Any attention you ask for when making a leaving thread, positive or negative, you get. It's just like ratings, you have to take the good with the bad because you asked for it.
6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings. I think so because I always been docked points for my buck teeth, but personally, I don't let that stop me from asking for ratings. I just let the person know that if that is the only reason they docked me points, then they are shallow and I sit and wait for a good rater. You can't change raters, you just have to wait for the good ones.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:52 am
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1. Is the AT realy going to hell?
-Well kind of. Not sure how you define going to hell. Two days ago I was very dissapointed in what was happening in the AT, but yeterday was a better day. I think that it is a mix. We have our good days and we have our bad days.
2. Elitism and Favoritisim.
-This one really tick's me off. There are quite a few elitest out there, who think that for some reason, they are better then everyone else in the AT. The think there veiws are more importent then anyone else's, that since the made a 10/10 avatar the have the power of being a god, or that since they have been here since the "old AT" they have some sort of god given power. The people who think that they have the most importent thought can't staned when someone give an avatar they rated a lower, or higher score. The think it's a crime even if the reasonin is backed up. The 10/10 are the same thing, only they throw the whole "Well I got a 10/10" thing in anyones face who dosen't "respect them". Lastly the oldbie card. I don't mean to piss anyone off, but I'm very sadened by the amout of time arguments in the AT end up with both sids saying "Well I've been here this long so you don't know" then the other person responeds in the same way. It's like they think just because they have been here a few months longer what they say matters more.. It just tireing.
Favoritisim Is the younger brother of elitism. It's where just because of a your name ect, you get better scores, or what not. Very much glad you brought this one up, for as much as we hear about "bais rateing is bad" we always hear about in the negitive way, but is postive bais any better?
3. Trolling / Flame ratings?
-Well if your talking about harsh rateres like......well you know who I'm speaking about, I'm not sure it's bad since if you ask they give suggestion's , and reasons. But these -1000/10, no reason, or you suck/10 rates that are poping up are very annoying.
4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about?
-I diddn't relize there was a war going on. Who's side I'm I on, dare I ask? This fight is sumed up simply. Oldbies get alot of bais rates, be the positive or negitive. The newbies give these out. They fight is bound to happen, no one likes negitive bais.But the reason this turned from a simple "please back up your rateings" at the start of your thread, to a flow blown Newbies are outof control, oldbies are out of control is elitism. Some older Aters feel they get to chosse who is an Ater, and what not. Bound to piss people off. And it did. So what the whole Oldbies vs Newbies thing is about is simple.
SOME Newbies are being suck up's (be it postive suckups or otherwise) and SOME Oldbies are being elitist's. Stress the word some please.
5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand?
-There are a lot of them, but ifthey want to get one last rate, or rate a few more people before they leaave let them.
6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings.
-I'm going to start out with this . "So you want me to tell you what I think about something, but you don't want me to affect it's score by my personal opinion on any given thing? "
See rateing is all about being bais, if we wern't all a litle bais, all rateing's would be the same and there would be no point in haveing more then one person rate any one outfit, since you already know the score everyone else would have to give to be "fair". I like bais so long as it's not a hugh thing. I mean, if you think buck teeth look bad, how are you going to give someone a high score who's wearing them? If they look bad to you, take a point off. Opinion is the spice of life. If you don't like something and you think it makes an avatar look bad, you have to say so. How can we have fair rates when we have to give an avatar we think looks bad a 10/10, because giveing it anything lower would be bais. If we think something looks bad, then it is only fair we take a point. Calling it bais is just a way to make peolpe feel better about there low rate.
Now when bais get out of control, thats bad. One point for not likeing something is okay, but if thats the only thing you can see, and ignore the rest of the avatar, well then we have a flame rater. Yep, an those suck. Thinking something looks bad is one thing, but you still need to look at the rest of the avatar.
To sum that up simplely-taking 1 or 2 points for thinking something looks bad is what keeps avatar talk fun and every rateing diffrent.
-Giveing a 1 too anyone just because there wearing one item you think looks bad is well....bad.
I don't mean to offened anyone, this is just my opinion. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:38 am
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:47 am
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:51 am
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XliLpUNkyPinkX PhoenixEve XliLpUNkyPinkX 1. Is the AT realy going to hell?
Nope ;D. Just have faith .
2. Elitism and Favoritisim.
Well I remember when whats his name was here and made a huge thread about being elite D:. And then it just started from there x0. It just sucks >___>.
Favoriteisim I hate that to when I see people rate a popular Ater and it just ends up being no help.
3. Trolling / Flame ratings?
Theres been alot lately D;.
4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about?
Oldbies well some oldbies perfer to be around there own old friends and not opening much to newbies ;____;.
5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand?
Yea D:. they were always . Always atleast 1 bad post in them ;/
6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings.
x0. I think Im one of them >;;> A SHADE` nazi D:.
I dint help much with my post because I know I suck n 3n.
<3. I think it's unfair to say that Oldbies don't open up. I been in Casino rooms sometimes where a bunch of ATers I "know of" don't talk to me and have all these personal inside jokes. The AT is filled with small groups of friends, both new and old, that keep to themselves. It's unfair that just because someone has been here longer they are expected to be everyone's friend and they are a bad person if they don't talk to everyone. sad
But its true ive seen some Oldbies just disaprove and yell at a newbie to go away but its not all the oldbies just about 5 gonk heart . <3.
I know some oldbies do that but then you have to remember that theother factor is the people who are popularity clingers and try to attach themselves to you. I think most oldbies who have an open mind just need to see that you like them for who they are and not just because they are well known. I think you're a pretty old ATer in my mind set, you been here awhile confused |
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:48 pm
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I should probably share too. xd
1. Is the AT realy going to hell?
Yes & No. Yes in the sense that thier has been an increase of more bad then good as of late, thiers alot more biased ratings, thiers alot more ratings that are more suck-up ratings then an actual rate to those who have been around. Thiers more flamers and trollers, while they have cut back it seems Devisis still has quite the following still and they continue to rate poorley. Thiers also been outburst of drama here and thier, and drama and a bunch of b.s is never good. No in the sense that thier are still some people who do things right, and try to keep things on the right track... Sadly thiers not as many trying to do the right thing as thier should be.
2. Elitism and Favoritisim.
Elitism does not exist plain and simple. No one is elite, no one is better then anyone else. If you can't understand this then you have a problem, and if you think your elite congrats, you don't even exist.
Favoritism, haha now this is a funny one. It always amuses me how many people come in to a rate me thread and just say... "OMFG its CANDYCRACK 10/10!!!11!! your my hero." Yeah great, do I care no not realy you like me wonderful, but don't rate me to try and suck up to me thinking Imma get you somewhere. Don't suck up to anyone because they think they can get you somewhere, dont rate people 10/10 just because of the name. Be honest, thats what gets you known, by sucking up you just look like a jackass and it gets you known for all the wrong reasons.
3. Trolling / Flame ratings?
Glad thier somewhat dying down but once again this is the devisis following syndrome... or at least thats what I call it. People think thier being cool, and thier a bad a**. Realy thier just idiots who tihnk trolling and flaming others is fun, funny thing is I see people like this as nothing more then little whimps who hide behind a computer and have to be rude to feel cool when rating pixels.
4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about?
Thier always seems to be a hidden battle, and hidden issues. People say oldbies are mean, stuck up bitches and assholes. Oldbies say Newbs are nothing more then mindless N00bs. While this isn't the case WITH EVERYONE new and old by any means thier are some of both areas guilty of both charges. The hidden gossip and talking needs to die out and be kept of gaia, people need to get along and give other people a chance, new and old.
5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand?
Yes. If your leaving for good by all menas make one... If your just going on vacation DONT. If your leaving for a day DONT. If you think your gonna leave for good but arent sure DONT. If your just gonna come back in a few days, a few weeks, or a few months DONT. Get the point?
6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings.
Stupid, people need to learn not everyone like the same damn things. Just because you don't like one item dose it realy mean somone should get a 6/10 because of that item. Oh and you don't like the style or the colors either, so what. Throw your dislikes out the window, look at the outfit as a whole. Does it work? Is it balance? Do items and colors compliment one another? Did the person mention what they were going for, did they achieve it? Thats what you need to focus on, not the OMG white and black unoriginal, not OMG leaf and grass skirt unoriginal, not OMG clutter, CLUTTER SUCKS. Foroget what you dislike forget what you like, look at it as whole and go from thier.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:36 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:03 pm
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1. Is the AT realy going to hell?
I really, really want to say no here, but it gets kinda tough to. I'm gonna say kinda, but more because of negligence than of new stuff.
2. Elitism and Favoritisim.
This is always gonna happen. There is no such thing as popularity communism. Some people are gonna be more memorable, whether for avatars or threads or being a cool person. Maybe it can be taken too far, but c'est la vie.
3. Trolling / Flame ratings?
Rates intended to get flames and to insult people are the product of those with small genitals, who feel the need to make themselves important. Devisis is a schmuck; I hate him and everything he stands for. Him and all of his idolizers. I have never, EVER hated someone besides him, let alone on the Internet. I practically died a little inside when all kinds of fanboys/girls came out of the woodwork with "Save Dev! We admire his douchebaggery and needless harshness!" tags in their sigs. I can't see why he was allowed back. Then there are his "rate me" threads, where he makes a shitty avatar and all his cronies give him 9s and 10s. That's just sad.
4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about?
I'll admit, I get irked by newbies at times, but I get even more irked about the idiot noobs. For example, that "Dark Koala" guy that bitched about his avatar being rated poorly, and that chick that wore black lingerie and a witch hat with "Am I 'original' enough? stare " Those are people we don't need in AT. Newbies can be counseled. Noobs are stubborn and have no place in AT
5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand?
Yes. Very much so. They are usually designed for attention. "OMG SUCH AND SUCH IS SUCKY AND SO AND SO HATES ME I QUIT!" Come on, you want to get some "cheer ups" and "DON'T LEAVE I LURVE J00!" posts. You don't have any intention of leaving and you know it. If you were really gonna leave, you'd tell the people that you feel should know, and make no big deal of it. Vanish without a trace, don't go out with a bang.
6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings.
I hate to say it, but every rating is biased, as they are based on opinion. Someone might really think "That item or color scheme throws the whole outfit off." Granted, they shouldn't rate you in the toilet for it, but you can't expect to get "I don't like this, this, that, and those, 9/10. Good job." If I don't like something (something substantial, not miniscule like buck teeth, although I really don't like them), it'll take 1 or 2 points off at the most. There's a difference between being biased and being closed-minded. Those "I hate X, 2/10" are closed-minded. Opinion in and of itself is biased, that's why it's opinion and not fact.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:59 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:23 am
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I'll just be going through the list here. ;D
1. Is the AT realy going to hell?
It's just in a position right now where there's a lot going on and there's really nothing left to keep it calm. I'm hoping, VERY hard, that it will soon cool down and get a little bit better. However, I'm not thinking that is going to happen, which is really quite sad because it was such a great place to hang out at.
2. Elitism and Favoritisim.
What I've noticed is a lot of home threads. Where groups of people (certain cliques, even) cluster together. Then let me mention the two most common types of ATers I see. First there are those who are so popular nothing else matters. Their avatar could be absolute poop but it doesn't matter. They're a so-called "oldbie" so right away they get a "10/10" and lots of "<333." Then there are those who complain about this situation. Making threads that are, "You're not really an oldbie, get over yourself" and blah like that. So yes, the AT is really splitting up and becoming nothing but ick.
3. Trolling / Flame ratings?
There are very few trustful / truthful raters in the AT. I see plenty of "10/10, LOVE IT" (as talked about above), and then "0/10. You suck." Now I tell you this. When I came to the AT, there were some of those, but the majority of those people welcomed me and gave me suggestions. They told me what I needed to work on, gave me a decent rate even. Not to mention always, always gave me a "off to a good start." Not many of those anymore. But I'm sure they're the smart ones who've left the AT and maybe moved to the guilds.
4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about?
Who knows? I find it absolutely ridiculous. Don't fuss because "it's not fair." New members are going to come to Gaia, no matter what you try and do. So you might as well just accept it. Don't complain about how they are taking over, some of them really do try. But you need to help them. If all of the "oldbies" are just going to sit there, mocking and laughing at them, giving them nothing but a bad time, how else would they turn out?
5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand?
Yes they are. No one makes a leaving thread just to let people know. They want sympathy. I always thought they were thinking something along the lines of "I'm so awesome, they will all beg to get me to stay." Which is stupid. Utter stupidity. I mean, don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand why some of them leave the AT (even Gaia in whole), but really. There's no need to make a big deal out of it. Go ahead and tell your close friends, I'm sure they'll miss you. But all you do is upset others when you make a big thread for it.
6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings.
Everyone has a different expectation of the perfect avatar. You'll just have to realize that you're not getting a 10/10. However, sometimes people don't really try. First off, with every rate that isn't a 10, you need to tell people what you see is wrong. If all you do is, "4/10." How ever will they make it better? You need to tell them, "Hey, you need to work on matching the colors better, but you're trying" or whatever it is that made you give them a 4. And I've seen this done before (and Shadowvein mentioned it), you don't like a certain item they wear. Tell them, and don't give them a 0 for it. Or else they're going to think they really suck, or you suck. You may not be in love with those pants, but sometimes you need to just set that aside and look at the outfit as a whole.
But yeah, that's how I feel about the whole AT thing. ): It's really quite sad what's going on with it now, almost as though the whole point of it is lost. |
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:50 am
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1. Is the AT realy going to hell?
Yes, and it comes back now and then.
2. Elitism and Favoritisim.
I do play favorites, but my favorites have style. I don't think I'm elitist, but some of the crap I type can be taken that way.
3. Trolling / Flame ratings?
Pointless, and Pointless. Exactly why I don't like half of the population of the new AT'ers, they Flame and I have seen some of them troll innocent threads.
4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about?
Honestly, I find the Oldbies to be much more encouraging to new AT'ers. The newer ones like to prance around and flame people with low ratings. Personally, if it's lower than a 5/10 DON'T ******** RATE IT, JUST POST SUGGESTIONS. --;
5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand?
Emo, Angsty morons. I hate leaving threads. I leave, but I don't whine to the whole world about it. Just leave, you know your a** will come back.
6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings.
I'm bias in my thread against those damned Staffs. I can do whatever I want in my thread but another person's thread deserves an honest un-bias rating.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:58 am
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PhoenixEve XliLpUNkyPinkX PhoenixEve XliLpUNkyPinkX 1. Is the AT realy going to hell?
Nope ;D. Just have faith .
2. Elitism and Favoritisim.
Well I remember when whats his name was here and made a huge thread about being elite D:. And then it just started from there x0. It just sucks >___>.
Favoriteisim I hate that to when I see people rate a popular Ater and it just ends up being no help.
3. Trolling / Flame ratings?
Theres been alot lately D;.
4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about?
Oldbies well some oldbies perfer to be around there own old friends and not opening much to newbies ;____;.
5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand?
Yea D:. they were always . Always atleast 1 bad post in them ;/
6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings.
x0. I think Im one of them >;;> A SHADE` nazi D:.
I dint help much with my post because I know I suck n 3n.
<3. I think it's unfair to say that Oldbies don't open up. I been in Casino rooms sometimes where a bunch of ATers I "know of" don't talk to me and have all these personal inside jokes. The AT is filled with small groups of friends, both new and old, that keep to themselves. It's unfair that just because someone has been here longer they are expected to be everyone's friend and they are a bad person if they don't talk to everyone. sad
But its true ive seen some Oldbies just disaprove and yell at a newbie to go away but its not all the oldbies just about 5 gonk heart . <3. *pats* I know how you are you leafy lil b*****d xd heart I know some oldbies do that but then you have to remember that the other factor is the people who are popularity clingers and try to attach themselves to you. I think most oldbies who have an open mind just need to see that you like them for who they are and not just because they are well known. I think you're a pretty old ATer in my mind set, you been here awhile confused .
Yes I have >_____>;; but not in at ive been in the guilds more lately 8D. Real at sometimes scare me xD.. Youve been here for a very long long time . I remember because every time I talk to you I see the picture you showed me the one where your sitting down at a bar ? and your holding a gun 8D. But I only remember oldbies faces the one I think are worth remembering ;]. That " *pats* I know how you are you leafy lil b*****d xd heart " Is going to geet a screen shot and puttin in my siggy
4laugh heart <3. |
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:16 pm
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candycrack As well all know AT has been having its ups and its downs. AT goes through changes good and bad much like the real world. I feel thier are many issues that go overlooked and overstated in the AT. Im just curious as too what some of the ATers have to say about some of these hidden issues, and since topics like this are now allowed in the AT since they dont follow the standards the guild is the perfect place. heart Thoughts and opinions on the following... 1. Is the AT realy going to hell? 2. Elitism and Favoritisim. 3. Trolling / Flame ratings? 4. Oldbies vs Newbies... whats that all about? 5. Leaving threads, are they getting out of hand? 6. Tainted ratings, and Baised ratings. heart Discuss em, share your thoughts... but please dont let opinion clashes get out of hand.
no AT isn't going to hell, but it will if we let it. I.... well elitism and favoritism is pretty much just biasm and biasm is like sexism, gayism, agism, and what not and those are the worst things in the entire world. But online it's different.... but anyway, I feel to stop elitism and favoritisim we kind of start AT from scratch.... all ATers remove other ATers off their friends list, and everyone willing to participate in getting rid of this issue then changes their username and tells NO ATer who they are. Except me there's no worry because I am just recently coming back to ATing and under a different sn so no one knows who I am [although I am out of name changes x_x]. BUT that's just a thought and I know most ATers are out of name changes and would prefer not to switch accounts. And on the trolling/flaming issues... well it's just stupid. Ok so you have your own opinion right? well share it right? well am I the only person remembering the phrase 'if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all'? well let's follow this phrase people! Look don't just say 0 / 10, gonk / 10 or something ok? It's on a scale of ONE to ten, not ZERO to ten. so if you REALLY hate an avatar, then try 1.?/10 and detailed suggestions. oldbies and newbies.... well I'm not sure...... ok I love ALL the oldbies [you know it!] and I can't say the same about newbies.... but hey you know what? that doesn't mean I'm going to treat 'em differently. if you treat oldbies or newbies differently, it's like being sexist. because it's like saying oldbies are males and newbies are female and that newbies/oldbies are better then the other! and blahblahblahblah. leaving threads, well I have yet to see one... but imo if I saw one it better be in the exchange or charity because it is just a way to clog up the AT if they post there neutral biased rates are stupid. I am only biased to sets but I think all ATers are... I mean if it's not original I'm not gonna give it a 0/10 I'll just give it a lower rating though. But I am not biased against items at all or color schemes [I'm biased against all items poorly matched though xp ] but there are multiple items I favor but if it's original and matches then sure I'll give it a good rating. but back to the favoritism. It's stupid that just because you are new to the AT that you don't get a 10/10 if it matches but those who are old and haven't matched it all that well always ge 10/10 or some random number confused I admit sometimes I give out random numbers [ex. 192423058/10] but I only do that on an avatar I TRULY <33333, not just because I know them and they are cool confused |
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