whoa...shikamaru...

[Captain Verd]

Kuroyue

Geez, it's only an expression. rolleyes No need to launch a debate over the technicalities of breaking necks.

The point is that Shikamaru doesn't necessarily need physical strength to do a lot of damage.

Unfortunately, he does need alot of stamina, which he seems to be a little short on.  

[churrlo]

I'ma spaz out like everyone else! But idk how T.T  

[NachoDude]

Shikalee

What? He can break necks?

Well, I know he can break BONES, but breaking someone's neck is pretty... difficult.

Also, that attack requires a lot of chakra, concentration, and he DOES have to use hand seals...

I think it'd just be easier to break someone's neck with your hands. Shikamaru is weak as it is. Kage Kubi Shibari is weaker than that. It's like a 10-year-old trying to break your neck with their small hands.

Let's just say Shikamaru has some cool moves. But his stats... suck. He's weak. His stamina runs out very quickly. All he's really got for him is intelligence.

On a 1-10 scale

Ninjutsu: 6
Taijutsu: 2
Genjutsu: 6
Intelligence: 10
Strength: 4
Agility: 4
Chakra: 4
Seal: 2

His skills are pretty good across the board. However, more than half of his stats are below average. Without chakra, he's mostly useless, unless he has strong teammates. He can execute a plan, but if that plan requires brawn... he's pretty much screwed.
Now this is where I get confused. According to the manga, he is fast as hell. But the Data Book says he's pretty slow... So I'm lost on that. Maybe he's just slow compared to people like Lee...

Shikamaru's my favorite, but I don't... He's not my favorite because he's strong or anything. gonk

...you know what? shut up. cuz you're absolutley right.  

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Captain Verd

Shikalee

Captain Verd

Considering your neck is made up of alot of bones... yeah I'd say he can do it.

Wow, do you know ANYTHING about the human body?

Overall, it is probably the third hardest place to break someone's bone, minus the jaw, which, is most commonly dislocated. I believe it's the femur, spine (this includes the neck), then skull.

Because of how the spine is designed, it is far harder to break than most ridged bone. This is best described like the inside of a building. At one point houses were made mostly of concrete-like substances (commonly referred to as adobe). Now the only reason adobe doesn't crumble right away is because it has some flex due to the straw in the material. But in comparison to a house built with wooden columns, it stands no chance. The wooden support beams in a house can easily be compared to the human spine in the sense that they flex under hard conditions (such as earth quakes or poor weather). To break a 2 by 4 most people would require a sledge hammer.

The human spine is not easy to break. Most spine injuries are caused under an extreme pressure; that the person has somehow been crushed between two objects; one of this objects can be their own body.

"The neck supports the weight of the head and protects the nerves that travel from the brain down to the rest of the body. In addition, the neck is highly flexible and allows the head to turn and flex in all directions."

The human head weighs at average around 11 lbs. This is actually a lot of weight for such a small structure in comparison to it's size.

To break the neck either requires a ridiculous amount of strength or the correct angle. Kage Kubi Shibari, as far as we know, "chokes," not "twists," and even if it did, we have noted that it is very weak (Tayuya and Hidan could repel it with their bare hands, no chakra). So chances of Shikamaru squeezing someone's neck in half are very small. It would take hundreds of pounds of pressure.

Aaaand since he can break his finger with it, we're assuming he can break other bones too. Like maybe the neck. It's not a question of how strong he is, because we don't really know. All we know is that Shikamaru can break bones with his kage thingy, so it's possible that he could break necks.

THANKS FOR THE ESSAY THOUGH LOL rolleyes

Way to make assumptions. You're such a hypocrite. Things, that are stupid, are only allowed to be done when they are convenient for you. rolleyes

AND YOU BOTH SAID NOT TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS WITH NO BURDEN OF PROOF LOL!! lol
YOU STATE YOUR OPINION AS THOUGH IT IS TRUE ROFLS
YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE BURDEN OF PROOF AND ALL YOU HAVE IS SHIKAMARU BREAKING HIS FINGER?!

The two bones has almost NO similarity in density, strength, and design. It's like saying, "Because I can break a pencil in half, I can also break a crowbar; with my bare hands."

The assumption, comparison, and theory is completely false, with no proof simply assumptions built off the fact that you're stubborn, and can't stand to be wrong.

Let me point this out again because it's just sooo sweet.

Captain Verd

Aaaand since he can break his finger with it, we're assuming he can break other bones too.

AND THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTING THIS IS...

NOWHERE!!

But there is LOADS of evidence suggesting the grip, and STRENGTH, of Kage Kubi Shibari no Jutsu are weaker than Shikamaru's OWN hands.

mofoslotmachine

Nice essay, but just because the bones in the neck are HARDER to break, doesn't mean they're unbreakable. They're breakable bones, Shikamaru can break bones, therefore it's a possibility that he could break neck bones. Not saying it'd be easy, but it's possible.

That's a weak analogy, again.

See, they are HARD to break. HARDER than a finger, which, according to statistics, is one of the most COMMON broken bones. The neck, however, is one of the least commonly broken bones.

You're all saying that it's possible, plausible, and Verd says it's likely, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN. Neither of you have ANY evidence suggesting that he could, or even would find a NEED to break someone's neck.

Crushing someone's windpipe is MORE DEADLY than breaking their neck. People survive neck injuries. People don't often survive a crushed windpipe.

Since Shikamaru IS Mr. GENIUS BOY, it's most likely he would choose the EASIER and MORE EFFECTIVE method, meaning, he'd probably NEVER break anyone's neck.

You guys watch too many kung fu movies. It looks easy to break someone's neck because they're not really breaking their neck. lol  

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Kuroyue

Geez, it's only an expression. rolleyes No need to launch a debate over the technicalities of breaking necks.

The point is that Shikamaru doesn't necessarily need physical strength to do a lot of damage.

Since when is this news to anyone? neutral I've been saying that for years.
And people FINALLY notice, now that Shikamaru is up against Akatsuki. And you all thought those girls were WEAK...  

[Syndactyly]

NachoDude

...you know what? shut up. cuz you're absolutley right.

ROFLS.

I'm sorry. But you DID point out something that I agree with.

Kage Kubi Shibari is VERY deadly. Why he hasn't used it with WEAPONS, I'm not sure.
It was proven when Kage Kubi Shibari picked up Asuma's knives. It can move objects. Hold them, even. Shikamaru should like, pick up his wakizashi (yes, he has one, we've seen it 3 times) with Kage Nui and hack away at his enemies. It's almost no risk to him, except maybe throwing his blade and loosing it. xd :  

[attila the fun]

Anyway, couldn't he just get into someone's head via some orifice and mess with their BRAINS?  

[Captain Verd]

Shikalee

Everything

Neither one of us was saying that he can 100% fo shizzle break necks. It's only a possibility, because he can break other bones. We're going on potential alone, not his canon-viewed abilities (obviously, because he hasn't broken any necks).

A better analogy, since you're so keen on them, would be "Ethan can break a small stick, so it's possible that he could break a bigger stick as well". Because Ethan has the ability to break sticks, he has the potential to break big sticks. That's all.  

[Ladyshion]

He can break peoples neck's he learned the jutsu from his dad.  

[Captain Verd]

Ladyshion

He can break peoples neck's he learned the jutsu from his dad.

It may be possible, but it's not concrete. Shikaku doesn't get alot of action, so we don't know exactly what he can do. The old men should get more screen time.  

[Pekora]

attila the fun

Anyway, couldn't he just get into someone's head via some orifice and mess with their BRAINS?

It'd be pretty hard...and weird .___.

. . .

hmmm...brains ;O  

[Syndactyly]

Captain Verd

Shikalee

Everything

Neither one of us was saying that he can 100% fo shizzle break necks. It's only a possibility, because he can break other bones. We're going on potential alone, not his canon-viewed abilities (obviously, because he hasn't broken any necks).

A better analogy, since you're so keen on them, would be "Ethan can break a small stick, so it's possible that he could break a bigger stick as well". Because Ethan has the ability to break sticks, he has the potential to break big sticks. That's all.

And I'm saying it's not. I have evidence to suggest it's not. Do you have evidence to suggest it is possible? And I know it's certainly not plausible.

That's a weak analogy, AGAIN.
JUST because Ethan can break a small stick, say, a twig, DOES NOT MEAN he can break a TREE TRUNK, a rather large stick. It's a stupid piece of evidence, and you know it. It's pretty ridiculous that you're trying to make it make sense. Shikamaru at this point might be able to break someone's neck with KAGE NUI, but this was about KAGE KUBI SHIBARI, which is "SHADOW CHOKE."

And Kage Nui would only assist him in a hanging, which, on occassion, breaks necks. He's still have to use gravity to his advantage for it to work.  

[churrlo]

Does this really need to be blown this out of proportion? neutral I really don't see why it's being blown to this proportion.

And omg... I know an Ethan! surprised He's my twin <3  

[Captain Verd]

Shikalee

And I'm saying it's not. I have evidence to suggest it's not. Do you have evidence to suggest it is possible? And I know it's certainly not plausible.

That's a weak analogy, AGAIN.
JUST because Ethan can break a small stick, say, a twig, DOES NOT MEAN he can break a TREE TRUNK, a rather large stick.

No, it doesn't mean that. If Ethan has the ability to break a small stick, it's fair to say he has the potential to break a bigger stick (not a tree trunk; a bigger stick). Your evidence is pointless, because we're not talking about solid fact. It's possible to break someone's neck. Shikamaru can break bones, it's possible he has the potential to break other bones.

We don't know what Shikamaru's full potential is, so we don't know whether or not he can achieve that specific goal. That's all.  

[Captain Verd]

churrlo

Does this really need to be blown this out of proportion? neutral I really don't see why it's being blown to this proportion.

And omg... I know an Ethan! surprised He's my twin <3

I don't either. It can't be proved either way, so there's no point confused

Omg I do too, only he's my younger brother.