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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:03 am
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:25 am
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:41 am
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:03 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:45 pm
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GilAskan Parents should not bring up a child nuetral. A parent is a person who raises their child the way that they believe will be best for the child. If you're going to raise a child truly "neutral", then you have to tell them that everything is equal. It's not. Being a nazi is not an equal alternative to being a republican or democrat. Being a child molester is not an equal alternative to not. If a parent thinks that raising their child as a goth is the best thing for the child, the parent should. It's that simple.
I was raised neutrally myself. Brought to understand everything has a flip side, I'm not saying avoid right and wrong teachings to kids. But the fact is they should be allowed to form their own identity, I was taught all religeons and when old enough allowed to make my own choice, I've been allowed to make my own choices since I was 5, and though some were indeed wrong choices, it remains that I learnt who I was and what I was comfortable with. It meant peer pressure had virtually no effect on me, I learnt the value of things, it made me mature faster whilst still being allowed to do the childish things a kid likes to do. To bring a child up how you want them to be is selfish, I'm not saying don't encourage them to be like you. But don't punish them for being different.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:49 pm
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Veruniel Rellik San Well my point isn't with kids, who like to dress up and try different things, its with babies, and the very young. How young are we talking? Most kids have started forming their own opinions by the time they're a shade under three. I figure there's no harm in dressing up someone that age if they like it, and kids who are younger than that won't really care what they're wearing. I do agree, though, that it's not good to push gothdom on a kid or make them feel like the have to dress the way their parents do.
Well the thing is, you dress them neutrally they dress that way more and feel more comfortable developing a personal style, I'm not talking about incredibly young kids here. but about 2 - 3 year olds when they are starting to form identity. Also, its an acceptance thing, I was a goth by choice in school, in the end my school life was so traumatic I had to be removed and put into home education, it was my choice to be that way and I don't regret it. But forcing goth on a kid can mean they are bullied and beaten up for something they have little say in.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:39 pm
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Rellik San GilAskan Parents should not bring up a child nuetral. A parent is a person who raises their child the way that they believe will be best for the child. If you're going to raise a child truly "neutral", then you have to tell them that everything is equal. It's not. Being a nazi is not an equal alternative to being a republican or democrat. Being a child molester is not an equal alternative to not. If a parent thinks that raising their child as a goth is the best thing for the child, the parent should. It's that simple. I was raised neutrally myself. Brought to understand everything has a flip side, I'm not saying avoid right and wrong teachings to kids. But the fact is they should be allowed to form their own identity, I was taught all religeons and when old enough allowed to make my own choice, I've been allowed to make my own choices since I was 5, and though some were indeed wrong choices, it remains that I learnt who I was and what I was comfortable with. It meant peer pressure had virtually no effect on me, I learnt the value of things, it made me mature faster whilst still being allowed to do the childish things a kid likes to do. To bring a child up how you want them to be is selfish, I'm not saying don't encourage them to be like you. But don't punish them for being different.
I understand what you mean. I'd like to point out that I wasn't saying "Parents: make your kids clones of you, punish them for straying from your wishes". My point was that a parent's job is to raise a child in the way they deem to be best.
Your parents for example decided that it was best to raise you neutrally. And that's fine. That was their decision as your parents.
And in response to your statement of "To bring a child up how you want them to be is selfish", I say this: It is selfish, but that does not make it wrong. It is selfish that I want my child to succeed. It is selfish that I want my child to be compassionate and caring, and intelligent. But my selfishness is not wrong. And likewise, it was selfish of your parents to decide to raise you neutrally. But that selfishness was not wrong either.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:38 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:26 am
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GilAskan Rellik San GilAskan Parents should not bring up a child nuetral. A parent is a person who raises their child the way that they believe will be best for the child. If you're going to raise a child truly "neutral", then you have to tell them that everything is equal. It's not. Being a nazi is not an equal alternative to being a republican or democrat. Being a child molester is not an equal alternative to not. If a parent thinks that raising their child as a goth is the best thing for the child, the parent should. It's that simple. I was raised neutrally myself. Brought to understand everything has a flip side, I'm not saying avoid right and wrong teachings to kids. But the fact is they should be allowed to form their own identity, I was taught all religeons and when old enough allowed to make my own choice, I've been allowed to make my own choices since I was 5, and though some were indeed wrong choices, it remains that I learnt who I was and what I was comfortable with. It meant peer pressure had virtually no effect on me, I learnt the value of things, it made me mature faster whilst still being allowed to do the childish things a kid likes to do. To bring a child up how you want them to be is selfish, I'm not saying don't encourage them to be like you. But don't punish them for being different. I understand what you mean. I'd like to point out that I wasn't saying "Parents: make your kids clones of you, punish them for straying from your wishes". My point was that a parent's job is to raise a child in the way they deem to be best. Your parents for example decided that it was best to raise you neutrally. And that's fine. That was their decision as your parents. And in response to your statement of "To bring a child up how you want them to be is selfish", I say this: It is selfish, but that does not make it wrong. It is selfish that I want my child to succeed. It is selfish that I want my child to be compassionate and caring, and intelligent. But my selfishness is not wrong. And likewise, it was selfish of your parents to decide to raise you neutrally. But that selfishness was not wrong either.
I'm not saying it is wrong to bring your child up how you want. But I wouldn't like to put those kinds of pressures on my child, I'd show support in what they did if needed and disapproval where needed. I guess we both would be different parents because of our different upbringings. Your going off your experience and I follow on with my own. smile
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:18 am
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:02 pm
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:36 pm
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