Plamen Oren, my pagan story, has been published.

[Goddess Hekate]

Archtypical charcter = No individual personality, nothing that makes the character a truely living breathing personality.

It's more like you dump a person into a pool of natriumhydroxide and then pick what's left up and put it in you book.

Comedia de l'arte is a perfect example of Archtypes instead of individuals.
As soon as the character becomes individual and differs from others in the archtype it's not a complete archtype.

Of course there exists archtypical charcters: The hero/Heroine, Mentor etc. but as soon as they have something else than that description about them, they aren't archtypes anymore.  

[Christina Prince]

Yeah, its sad but I've found video games that do charactgerization better than some books do. I need to phone Oprah and have her put my book on her book of the month club lol.  

[Goddess Hekate]

Christina Prince

Yeah, its sad but I've found video games that do charactgerization better than some books do. I need to phone Oprah and have her put my book on her book of the month club lol.

One word to the video game part: Ouch.  

[Christina Prince]

Seropisly though. Most RPG games do a better job of character -driven plots than some books do. Eternal Darkness being one "off the top of my head" example. Sure the plot will almost always be dominant in video games but I think its sad when book are on that same level without breaking free of the plot-driven ness.  

[Nihilistic Seraph]

I think we need to find a distinction here between two-dimensional characters and archetypes - they're two quite different things.  

[Christina Prince]

Ok I don't know if this helps but this is what dictionary.com had to say:

1. the original pattern or model from which all things of the same kind are copied or on which they are based; a model or first form; prototype.
2. (in Jungian psychology) a collectively inherited unconscious idea, pattern of thought, image, etc., universally present in individual psyches.

I think I like number 2 O-o.  

[Nihilistic Seraph]

Jung is cool, it was his version I was using 3nodding  

[Christina Prince]

As much as I love his concept (and I shall read more on it) I don't think its the usual concept applied to lliterature.  

[Nihilistic Seraph]

It could, it would just need to be applied in just the right way. I've got it sort of going with one of my stories.  

[Christina Prince]

Well then lets say it's not academia's (spelling?) take on the word, at least in the mainstream sence. Lets say I tried to avoid it as much as possible with this novel, while I'm sure I failed in some people's eyes (having two spirits working together to help the main character in his journey. One of which is a pagan "grand-fey" named Mabel *coughcough*lookatthefirstthreeletters*cough* razz  

[Nihilistic Seraph]

Is Queen Mab originally Shelley's creation, or did he take it from somewhere else?


On the subject of archetypes, I'm actually reading a book now that uses archetypes. Passion of the New Eve by Angela Carter. It's so wonderful, I love her stuff heart  

[Christina Prince]

Nooo, Mab comes from the irish godess "Medb" and Queen Mab is mentioned in one of Mercutio's speaches in Romeo and Juliet. so she's been around a good long time.  

[Nihilistic Seraph]

Okay, cool 3nodding  

[Christina Prince]

I want to marry your signature *ANYWAY* I did a LOT of research for this book, nothing is haphazard. I'd never put in someone like Mab unless I was SURE she was from actual lore and not a contemporary work. To give some perspective, The story takes place in gaul/slavic area, its really not pegged to any one place. I did reaserch on what kind of animals are indeginous to that area at that time (pre history) what plants are there, what kind of intercultural interaction could there be at that time, what kind of custums do people form those areas have, what kind of alchohol do they drink, what do they wear....the list goes on forever...and I bet no one will apreciate this.

My roomate says I could have had them eating corn, pumpkin, and bison while drinking Cacao and no one would have noticed xd  

[Nihilistic Seraph]

Christina Prince

I want to marry your signature *ANYWAY* I did a LOT of research for this book, nothing is haphazard. I'd never put in someone like Mab unless I was SURE she was from actual lore and not a contemporary work. To give some perspective, The story takes place in gaul/slavic area, its really not pegged to any one place. I did reaserch on what kind of animals are indeginous to that area at that time (pre history) what plants are there, what kind of intercultural interaction could there be at that time, what kind of custums do people form those areas have, what kind of alchohol do they drink, what do they wear....the list goes on forever...and I bet no one will apreciate this.

My roomate says I could have had them eating corn, pumpkin, and bison while drinking Cacao and no one would have noticed xd

Which part of my signature, it tends to shift around a bit... xp

I think it adds to it. You'll never know when people will have actual knowledge of the culture.

I get lucky in one of my stories in that it takes place in dreams, so the challenge lies more in figuring out how people would shape themselves, how their various aspects would come out.