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 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:43 am
dark__sunshin Zaaki dark__sunshin Zaaki dark__sunshin yep that's true xD !
and when u do black magic on ppl .. and u destro their entire life and u become best of the best ,, don't think that Allah won't do u anything! it will and believe it or not he will punish u a very strong punishment in the judgment day .. and inshallah none of us / muslims deal with magic weather they want to heal a black magic or god forbid do black magic on people ! Hmm... one of you guys said you must use it in war 3nodding And i'm not going to make black magik on everyone, SOO STOP HARRASHING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!Tell me how i perform it. How do you read something on a handtheif and that, and how do you heal?
means there is probably NO WAR at all!!
and am not harrashing u am jst telling u that if u do black magic on anyone u will get a punishment maybe it will be going to the fire -- Jahanam !! [[ a'otho bellah ]]
and am not a MAGICIAN so i can tell u how to make it!! go ask a magician will probably give u a better infos stare !
wasalam al khitam ! What's al khitam!? Dark, i ain't stupid! You guys ben telling me that beffore! But is it haram to heal someone with the magik? If yes, then?? confused If no, then you lie razz
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i didn't tell u how to make it!! i just told u they do some wierd stuff ... and plus i don't know how to even do a simple spell !! confused
and about healling with magic ... i guess tassan answered you in a very well explained way!
wasalam! Not really
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:55 pm
-_- okay now I know pagan beliefs are incorportated into Islam sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:39 am
what do you mean by that?
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:23 am
3 pages, and still no answer?
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:28 am
There is no such thing as magic in Islam.
The Hadith's you quoted are probably wrong.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:57 am
Pheonixia There is no such thing as magic in Islam. The Hadith's you quoted are probably wrong. LøL no magik? That's 100% wrong! The prophets used to do magik!!!!
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:38 pm
Zaaki Pheonixia There is no such thing as magic in Islam. The Hadith's you quoted are probably wrong. LøL no magik? That's 100% wrong! The prophets used to do magik!!!! And what examples do you have? A hadith is said to be correct if its truth can also be found in the Holy Qur'an...if it cannot then the Hadith is false.....
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:00 am
Pheonixia Zaaki Pheonixia There is no such thing as magic in Islam. The Hadith's you quoted are probably wrong. LøL no magik? That's 100% wrong! The prophets used to do magik!!!! And what examples do you have? A hadith is said to be correct if its truth can also be found in the Holy Qur'an...if it cannot then the Hadith is false..... Soo hadith's that ain't writen in the qur'an, are false?
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:03 pm
XeroRyn what do you mean by that? i've studied pre-Islamic history in that region (not by a formal class, just amature studies in the history section of the Middle east) and it sound ALOT like how tribes in the Middle East would go about their prayers before the start of Islam.
Islam and Christanity are alike in that both faiths incorporate pagan beliefs into a monotheistic system in order to make the faith more accessible to followers and conversions easier.
...kit ugye verekszik részére?
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:03 am
But how to perform black magik? No one knows?
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The Dead Terrorist Achmed
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:15 am
Zaaki But how to perform black magik? No one knows?
and Zaaki, I'm disappointed....for someone supposedly so zealous in your faith and so curious to learn about this sorcery stuff. Black magic is considered sorcery. Here's some quotes to meditate on:
“He is not of us, the one who sees evil omens, or the one the one whose behalf they are seen, or the one who practices soothsaying, or the one on whose behalf it is practiced; or the one who practices sorcery, or the one for whom sorcery is done.” (At-Tabaraanee)
“Keep away from the seven destructive sins!” They said, “What are they, O Messenger of Allaah?” He answered, “Associating partners with Allaah; Practicing Sorcery; taking a life, which Allaah has made forbidden except for a just cause (according to Islaamic Law); eating Riba (usury) eating up an orphan’s wealth; fleeing from the battle field at the time of fighting (with the unbelievers); and accusing chaste women, who never think of anything that can touch their chastity and who are good believers, of fornication.”
“Whoever ties a knot and blows into it has practiced sorcery, and whosoever practiced sorcery has associated partners with Allaah. Whoever wears anything for protection (i.e. talismans, pendants etc.) will be left in its care.
As-Sihr (Sorcery) literally means something that is hidden and its cause is unknown. Islaamically it means knots and shirk incantations that have impact on the victim’s mind or body. The Islaamic rule regarding learning it and teaching it is that it is Kufr and going out of the fold of Islaam, according to the authentic view of the scholars. Allaah says, “Sulaimaan did not disbelieve, but the Shayaatin (devils) disbelieved teaching men magic.” (Al-Baqarah 2: 102)
He also says in the same verse, “And indeed they knew that the buyers of it (magic) would have no share in the hereafter.”
He also says, “And the magician will never be successful no matter what amount (of skill) he may attain.” (Taahaa 20: 69)
Sorcery according to the scholars does have a real impact with Allah’s leave. That is why Allah enjoined seeking refuge against it. As for the legal ruling concerning sorcerers in this world, they should be killed if evidence is established that they practice sorcery. That is the opinion of Abu Haneefah, Maalik, and Ahmed. Imam Ahmad said, “Capital punishment for the sorcerer has been authentically reported from three companions of the Prophet . It is reported from Umar that he wrote, “Kill every sorcerer and sorceress.” Bujaalah (a sub-narrator) said, “Then we killed three sorceresses.” It is also authentically reported from Hafsah (Prophet’s wife) that she ordered a maid of hers to be killed because she did sorcery on her.” Jundub bin Kaab was also authentically reported that he beheaded a magician who was playing his magic in front of Waleed and said, “Let him use his magic for his own benefit now.”
It is unlawful to cure one magical spell with another, for Allaah does not allow the cure of this Ummah by that which He has forbidden them. Nevertheless, it is permissible to cure oneself of magical spells with lawful medicaments, herbs and the like.source: Islam and Sorcery
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:51 am
To ratri..tell me what you know before i could say anything
to pheonixia and zaaki....there is a difference between hadith and qur'an
to achmed...thank you...now anyone who feel a bit confuse about magic read achmed statement and........Zaaki....Rasulullah did not use magic.....it is a miracle or mukjizat (granted by Allah)
and to Zaaki again....if you really are a muslim you will not want to learn magic as it is syirik!!!!!!!!
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The Dead Terrorist Achmed
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:18 pm
XeroRyn to achmed...thank you...now anyone who feel a bit confuse about magic read achmed statement and........Zaaki....Rasulullah did not use magic.....it is a miracle or mukjizat (granted by Allah)
i was tired of people being unclear on the issue.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:03 pm
Ratri_Cat XeroRyn To ratri..tell me what you know before i could say anything
Well I'll tell you what I know. Most of it is from books. I only have one book with me atm
it's called:Muhammad and Jesus; A comparison of the Prophets and their Teachings, buy William E. Phipps.
That book I like because it provides and objective view on the matter. Not pro or anti Muslim or pro or anti Christian.
I'm basing what I know off of History. I am in no way trying to undermine your belief system.
-what is done at the Kaba is from pagan worship. Pagan Arabs were known for their sun and moon worship as well as stone worship.
-there is no historical evidence that supports that Abraham had anything to do with the Kaba. And don't try and talk about Jacob, who erected a stone altar in Bethel....where he did it isn't historically/geographically close to where the Kaba is.
-there was another monotheistic, but pagan, religion that came before islam, and that was Zoroastrian...the night ride accounts are disturbingly similar.
-the hajj has paganism roots. see Pagan Islam sources for more information. This is one of the better online sites that I have. the other one I have has a distinct anti-Muslim tone. This is actually part of a book.
this is my other online source:Pagans and Islam
I mean, I could dig up more if you want, but i'm not here to write a paper nor to discredit the faith in as many ways possible. Aside from the Prophet's ride, most of what I'm talking about is historical progress of religion.
And I know Christianity has some pagan roots; so anyone who wishes to criticize my faith, you're beating a dead horse. Just don't bring it up. I'm here to answer Xero's question.
OH I forgot to add this source! Now before you go out and claim that it is anti-Muslim propaganda, PLEASE LOOK AT THE SOURCES THEY USE TO BACK UP THEIR STATEMENTS. And then make an argument based on that. And I don't think that the argument "it's not from a Muslim site" is a viable one, for anyone who wants to argue with me about my sources. I'm willing to accept criticism for my sources, but something CONSTRUCTIVE AND AN EXPLANATION WHY.
this source: The pagan origin of the word, "Allah"
...kit ugye verekszik részére?
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