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 Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:58 am
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OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel A folding stock holds no temptation for me, especially with that kind of price tag. I followed the link to "these guys do it professionally", and the only mods that tempted me were the molded foregrip, which looked like a ten-minute replacement deal, and the MP5-style sights. Ah ok then. No kind of folding stock at all? Like I said, I didn't like that tube frame stock. The original Saiga 12 folding stock looks a lot better. It's actually what I was hoping to find. Do you agree? In this case, yes. I doubt I'd ever fold the stock, but it's a solid-frame stock, and the pistol grip is a nice use. If I could find one that was like that stock, I'd do it, but it's not worth doubling the price of the gun to me. Yeah I suppose. Probably in the future they'll have those kinds of stocks available. Hmm, nvm. I guess they used both stocks. They said that they used this kind of folding stock as well.  I found two other kinds of stocks for any Saiga model on eBay. Neither requires gunsmithing. Ah excellent. I like the cheek rest one but the collapsing stocks I never like. |
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:31 am
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Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel In this case, yes. I doubt I'd ever fold the stock, but it's a solid-frame stock, and the pistol grip is a nice use. If I could find one that was like that stock, I'd do it, but it's not worth doubling the price of the gun to me. Yeah I suppose. Probably in the future they'll have those kinds of stocks available. Hmm, nvm. I guess they used both stocks. They said that they used this kind of folding stock as well. I found two other kinds of stocks for any Saiga model on eBay. Neither requires gunsmithing. Ah excellent. I like the cheek rest one but the collapsing stocks I never like. I'm rethinking the whole .410 thing. The magazines are only available in 4-round, which totally defeats the purpose of a detachable magazine. I mean, seriously, 4 rounds? I could get more than that in a tube!
Hmm, alright. So what are you thinking then?
Changing to 12 gauge, or a completely different firearm? |
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:38 am
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OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel In this case, yes. I doubt I'd ever fold the stock, but it's a solid-frame stock, and the pistol grip is a nice use. If I could find one that was like that stock, I'd do it, but it's not worth doubling the price of the gun to me. Yeah I suppose. Probably in the future they'll have those kinds of stocks available. Hmm, nvm. I guess they used both stocks. They said that they used this kind of folding stock as well. I found two other kinds of stocks for any Saiga model on eBay. Neither requires gunsmithing. Ah excellent. I like the cheek rest one but the collapsing stocks I never like. I'm rethinking the whole .410 thing. The magazines are only available in 4-round, which totally defeats the purpose of a detachable magazine. I mean, seriously, 4 rounds? I could get more than that in a tube! Hmm, alright. So what are you thinking then? Changing to 12 gauge, or a completely different firearm? |
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:20 am
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:13 am
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OberFeldwebel http://www.mdarms.com/scripts/prodview.asp?idProduct=1714 Problem added? $215. I almost s**t a brick. Hmm. Stock Mossberg 500 Cruiser ~$350 ... with epic cool 10 rnd drum modification... $600 more? ... Saiga 12 (commercial hunting version ) $575 Saiga 12 'AK type' $750 TWENTY round drum $215. ??? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=108101007OMG! HK front and rear sights. I love those types of sights. And I'm sure that with that stock you could, with a but of experience, attach a nice cheek rest.
I could do the Mossy 500+Sidewinder thing, but if I ever want a second magazine, I'll have to scour the intarwebs for weeks. Besides that, pump isn't really what I'm looking for. |
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:16 am
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Fresnel OberFeldwebel http://www.mdarms.com/scripts/prodview.asp?idProduct=1714 Problem added? $215. I almost s**t a brick. Hmm. Stock Mossberg 500 Cruiser ~$350 ... with epic cool 10 rnd drum modification... $600 more? ... Saiga 12 (commercial hunting version ) $575 Saiga 12 'AK type' $750 TWENTY round drum $215. ??? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=108101007OMG! HK front and rear sights. I love those types of sights. And I'm sure that with that stock you could, with a but of experience, attach a nice cheek rest. It looks like nobody cares about .410 enough to make a decent mag-fed version of it. Hell, by now I'd be happy to find a .410 autoloader that I could put a decent set of sights on. I could do the Mossy 500+Sidewinder thing, but if I ever want a second magazine, I'll have to scour the intarwebs for weeks. Besides that, pump isn't really what I'm looking for.
Yeah that's too bad. I'm sure with some mechanics work they could make a higher capacity drum mag for the .410. Maybe 25-30 rounds?
But then again any .410 that I've ever wanted would be an over under .410/ 22 magnum. Most likely a Savage arms.
Can't they do the same Sidewinder package on a semi auto?
I mean, don't they all load the same way? |
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:50 am
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OberFeldwebel Fresnel OberFeldwebel http://www.mdarms.com/scripts/prodview.asp?idProduct=1714 Problem added? $215. I almost s**t a brick. Hmm. Stock Mossberg 500 Cruiser ~$350 ... with epic cool 10 rnd drum modification... $600 more? ... Saiga 12 (commercial hunting version ) $575 Saiga 12 'AK type' $750 TWENTY round drum $215. ??? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=108101007OMG! HK front and rear sights. I love those types of sights. And I'm sure that with that stock you could, with a but of experience, attach a nice cheek rest. It looks like nobody cares about .410 enough to make a decent mag-fed version of it. Hell, by now I'd be happy to find a .410 autoloader that I could put a decent set of sights on. I could do the Mossy 500+Sidewinder thing, but if I ever want a second magazine, I'll have to scour the intarwebs for weeks. Besides that, pump isn't really what I'm looking for. Yeah that's too bad. I'm sure with some mechanics work they could make a higher capacity drum mag for the .410. Maybe 25-30 rounds? But then again any .410 that I've ever wanted would be an over under .410/ 22 magnum. Most likely a Savage arms. Can't they do the same Sidewinder package on a semi auto? I mean, don't they all load the same way?
The Sidewinder was discontinued a few years back, that's why it's so rare. Most people got it with one drum and let it be at that, so now it's almost impossible to find replacement magazines. It was made for the Mossberg 500 only, and came with the pump system installed. They considered making it for the Remington 870 before they discontinued it. |
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:39 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:16 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:26 pm
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:04 am
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OberFeldwebel Fresnel Just found an AR-15 style .410. 10 round magazine, semi-auto, 20"...
Sold only in Turkey and the UK. ******** class="clear"> ... that would actually be kind of cool. That's saying a lot for me since I really don't like the AR style stuff. And what the ******** kind of demand does the UK have for .410s? Especially on that sort of platform? That's like marketing Xbox 360s to starving Pygmies. Maybe these weapons are fail due to design flaws?
Waaaaant crying
EDIT: Oh hell, the only custom parts on there are the barrel and the bolt. I'm almost tempted to try and build one myself. Almost. Maybe I could just import those two parts...?
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:21 pm
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Fresnel OberFeldwebel Fresnel Just found an AR-15 style .410. 10 round magazine, semi-auto, 20"...
Sold only in Turkey and the UK. ******** class="clear"> ... that would actually be kind of cool. That's saying a lot for me since I really don't like the AR style stuff. And what the ******** kind of demand does the UK have for .410s? Especially on that sort of platform? That's like marketing Xbox 360s to starving Pygmies. Maybe these weapons are fail due to design flaws? They were taken off the market for six months due to consistent failures to eject, but they've fixed the problem and now they've been released again. Here's a video. The best part? The only custom parts are the upper, the charging handle, and the bolt. That's a standard AR lower, and a single-stack magazine like you'd use for .50 Beowulf or Bushmaster .450. If only it didn't have a custom bolt... Waaaaant crying EDIT: Oh hell, the only custom parts on there are the barrel and the bolt. I'm almost tempted to try and build one myself. Almost. Maybe I could just import those two parts...?
10 round mags?
s**t, that's awesome.
They fixed the fail of the weapon? Sounds good.
I must agree I like this one, and again, for me that's saying a lot since I really don't like the AR. It doesn't fit me.
If I had a serious squirrel problem I'd get one of these, or perhaps a Saiga.
That is unless I found an epic of a deal for a .22/.410 over under before then.
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