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 Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:02 pm
XxXZero_BeatXxX didnt u read the rest of my post???? what didnt you understand
The convenience of claiming that no one but Muslims will understand the concept of jihad. XxXZero_BeatXxX the shria law maybe has thats because people are going against it have you read the shairia latley??? its madatory for muslims to follow it wether they like it or not.
Amazing. Human rights abuses legalized by Islam. great.
I have read parts of the Shariah law, but if you have a hyperlink for me to see, I would like to see it. XxXZero_BeatXxX UN wont do anything about it because there useless over there
The UN is generally useless, so I don't see your point. All they do is point out the obvious. XxXZero_BeatXxX agian did you read my post?
I read your post and posted the ideas that western culture was trying to promote. Apparently freedom is overrated in the East. rolleyes XxXZero_BeatXxX saudia arabia is whabi sect of islam that was posioned my non muslims as for sudan ill have to look in to that
How can it be poisoned by non-Muslims when so much is dedicated to Islam there, and if you're not a Saudi, you're looked down upon unless its the rich ones that look to line their pockets with money from oil.
And if you're going to complain about the US influence with oil, Saudi wouldn't have much an economy or be much of a country without our interest in them. They would be a much poorer country. Anyhow, with hybrids and concern about global warming, we're going to be turning away from that, so already our interest in Saudi is waning. You can go and celebrate now.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:24 pm
Absurd Thought XxXZero_BeatXxX didnt u read the rest of my post???? what didnt you understand
The convenience of claiming that no one but Muslims will understand the concept of jihad. XxXZero_BeatXxX the shria law maybe has thats because people are going against it have you read the shairia latley??? its madatory for muslims to follow it wether they like it or not.
Amazing. Human rights abuses legalized by Islam. great.
I have read parts of the Shariah law, but if you have a hyperlink for me to see, I would like to see it. sure ill give it to you tommorow also yes the sharia does accept "killing if that is what you will like to call it. but those are punishments depending on what you do unless you repent then no harm done XxXZero_BeatXxX UN wont do anything about it because there useless over there
The UN is generally useless, so I don't see your point. All they do is point out the obvious. XxXZero_BeatXxX agian did you read my post?
I read your post and posted the ideas that western culture was trying to promote. Apparently freedom is overrated in the East. rolleyes XxXZero_BeatXxX saudia arabia is whabi sect of islam that was posioned my non muslims as for sudan ill have to look in to that
How can it be poisoned by non-Muslims when so much is dedicated to Islam there, and if you're not a Saudi, you're looked down upon unless its the rich ones that look to line their pockets with money from oil.
And if you're going to complain about the US influence with oil, Saudi wouldn't have much an economy or be much of a country without our interest in them. They would be a much poorer country. Anyhow, with hybrids and concern about global warming, we're going to be turning away from that, so already our interest in Saudi is waning. You can go and celebrate now. ok saudi is a whabbi country and a whabbi is a sect of islam that i soon expalin later on cuz i have to go soon also if i may i read ur profile and ur an athiest i would like to ask a few questions to u that not many athiest could answer even with there high intelect. to proove to you god does exist so may i? (im not trying to change the topic i have to go soon so ill finish this tommorow)
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:00 pm
XxXZero_BeatXxX sure ill give it to you tommorow also yes the sharia does accept "killing if that is what you will like to call it. but those are punishments depending on what you do unless you repent then no harm done
Oh I'm familiar with capital punishment, it's how its executed in Shariah law that bothers me. Especially in Muslim countries, as it fundamentally is used to abuse human rights and degrade women. The lack of freedom also bothers me, the whole lack of "freedom of speech" seems to be overrated with the way Shariah law is practiced.
XxXZero_BeatXxX ok saudi is a whabbi country and a whabbi is a sect of islam that i soon expalin later on cuz i have to go soon
explain later. I look forward to it.
XxXZero_BeatXxX also if i may i read ur profile and ur an athiest i would like to ask a few questions to u that not many athiest could answer even with there high intelect. to proove to you god does exist so may i? (im not trying to change the topic i have to go soon so ill finish this tommorow)
Actually you are trying to change the topic with your question. My lack of belief in a higher power has nothing to do with this subject. Go post your question/challenge under the thread about athiests. and keep to Jihad and whatnot on this one.
I will answer your challenge, but not here. not in this thread.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:56 pm
Absurd Thought XxXZero_BeatXxX sure ill give it to you tommorow also yes the sharia does accept "killing if that is what you will like to call it. but those are punishments depending on what you do unless you repent then no harm done
Oh I'm familiar with capital punishment, it's how its executed in Shariah law that bothers me. Especially in Muslim countries, as it fundamentally is used to abuse human rights and degrade women. The lack of freedom also bothers me, the whole lack of "freedom of speech" seems to be overrated with the way Shariah law is practiced.
like the quran the sharia is taken out of context as well Especially in arab countries and it starting to occure in pakistan but the army is dealing with them. XxXZero_BeatXxX ok saudi is a whabbi country and a whabbi is a sect of islam that i soon expalin later on cuz i have to go soon
explain later. I look forward to it.
XxXZero_BeatXxX also if i may i read ur profile and ur an athiest i would like to ask a few questions to u that not many athiest could answer even with there high intelect. to proove to you god does exist so may i? (im not trying to change the topic i have to go soon so ill finish this tommorow)
Actually you are trying to change the topic with your question. My lack of belief in a higher power has nothing to do with this subject. Go post your question/challenge under the thread about athiests. and keep to Jihad and whatnot on this one.
I will answer your challenge, but not here. not in this thread. lol i wasnt changing anything i was hoping you would respond to my statement.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:36 pm
"""How can it be poisoned by non-Muslims when so much is dedicated to Islam there, and if you're not a Saudi, you're looked down upon unless its the rich ones that look to line their pockets with money from oil.
And if you're going to complain about the US influence with oil, Saudi wouldn't have much an economy or be much of a country without our interest in them. They would be a much poorer country. Anyhow, with hybrids and concern about global warming, we're going to be turning away from that, so already our interest in Saudi is waning. You can go and celebrate now. ""
yes much is decicated that dose not mean THEY care for it.
they are poisoned because the wahabis crushed junnatul baqi!! they destroyed the shrine of syeda fatima zahra a.s the women of the mistress of the whole worlds and heaven !
and most of ALL
they love yazid
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:55 pm
Jihad is not all about war
what muslim r you?
and then although muslim in the place stated being oppress why their is need of such fight? yes we should fight our enemy but is is right for us to seek revenge? to kill innocent life
we muslim do accept the probabilities for war but we are not encouraging one
why do us muslim behave like this, this is not the real teaching of islam
let us look in the history of Meqqa where Rasulullah and the muslim were oppress but do they suicide them selves? Ever they kill innocent lives? Rasulullah showed a great charisma in war..how? He FORGIVE and give chances....
Fellow muslim...we are much better then this. jihad is not all about war
but if u kill innocent lives by the name of Allah....you are tainting His name, muslim name and bring this terrorism images to us
so where is the fault for to blame?
we have right to protect ourselves but we dont have the right to kill innocent lives
if we refer to the qur'an, fully there is no such thing as killing innocent lives
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:53 am
XeroRyn Jihad is not all about war what muslim r you? and then although muslim in the place stated being oppress why their is need of such fight? yes we should fight our enemy but is is right for us to seek revenge? to kill innocent life we muslim do accept the probabilities for war but we are not encouraging one why do us muslim behave like this, this is not the real teaching of islam let us look in the history of Meqqa where Rasulullah and the muslim were oppress but do they suicide them selves? Ever they kill innocent lives? Rasulullah showed a great charisma in war..how? He FORGIVE and give chances.... Fellow muslim...we are much better then this. jihad is not all about war but if u kill innocent lives by the name of Allah....you are tainting His name, muslim name and bring this terrorism images to us so where is the fault for to blame? we have right to protect ourselves but we dont have the right to kill innocent lives if we refer to the qur'an, fully there is no such thing as killing innocent lives bro i understand how u feel many muslims do. i never said i supported sucide bombings. and killing of innocents im not asking any muslim to support everything. all i was asking is to pray for them so they see the true light and be victorous. further more the quran states "drive them out from the places they drove you out" and many more verses which i will post l8er on.. they are many muslims who seek god but end up following the devil. even thogh the israelies want to "wipe out muslim filth" we should not do the same to there civilans even though the quran permits an eye for and eye "...allah does not love agressors" quran but we have every right to fight them till the last drop of blood salamz
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:45 am
Just whanted to announce that The Islamic Guild is made!
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:56 pm
XxXZero_BeatXxX the quran permits an eye for an eye. u destroy our places of worship we will return the favor.
Your places of worship wouldn't be destroyed if Muslims didn't fight from the freaking mosques. And most religious places of worship were in places other than Palestine and have nothing to do with the Palestinian-Israeli war. They were simply places of worship that were targeted for no other reason than they were not mosques. Most Jewish and Christians have learned to accept you guys. Otherwise, there would be even less tolerance in the US and we'd be propagating the "stereotypical Muslim" concept like you claim we do.
The Qu'ran permits and eye for an eye? No wonder you guys are so messed up! Grow up and learn something other than primitive reasoning of a two-year old. XxXZero_BeatXxX o wow do you see what they do to us??? the israelis even said "we vow to wipe out muslim filth"
Well if "Muslim filth" are conducting suicide bombings, then I'd be inclined to agreed with them. I told you that neither side is innocent. Both Israelis and Palestinians have screwed up majorly.
XxXZero_BeatXxX What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear wink unto this day.(Rom 11:7- cool Here, use a real complete bible that's not stuck in old-school view: Quote: 7 What follows? Israel failed to find what it was seeking; only those who were chosen found it and the rest had their minds hardened; 8 just as it says in scripture: God has infused them with a spirit of lethargy; until today they have not eyes to see or ears to hear.
See, the problem here is that you take only a snippet that benefits you instead of bothering to understand the whole thing.
I may be atheist, but I was Catholic beforehand, and I have studied Christianity already.
The point of Romans was to explain to the Gentiles that Israel is not abandoned by god, that the Gentiles should not fear the power of the Jews, who were pretty strong during the time of the Roman Empire rule during the rise of Christianity. It's a reminder to the Jews that their god is All-Powerful, and their god is free to distribute his love wherever and whenever. It's all right here
XxXZero_BeatXxX And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers . Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth , from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation . O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (Mat 23:30-3 cool
Again, if you bothered to learn more about the book beforehand, you'd realize that the script is not condemning the Jews, but the Pharisees, which were notorious for their blindness, hypocrasy, ect.
Gosh darn it, I do not care for organized religions, but I will not let people not give them a fair fight. XxXZero_BeatXxX i did not say its fine to commit sucide for allah y r u using a rebuttle? In case you are unfamiliar with the concept of debate, I am reminding you of what your past sayings: Quote:
another thing is that the blowing youself up part is a sin yea thats obvious but Allah goes by your intentiion not what you do Allah knows why they do it. XxXZero_BeatXxX shall i continue that little story i told u about y they were cursed??? in detail?
Sure. Calling the Jews cursed makes as much sense as calling Muslims retarded and the Christians bloody pagans.
XxXZero_BeatXxX LOL i been to the border of pakistan and afghanistan there not any sucide bomber camps lol that OLD news have u ever heard of operation FATA lol there are not any left its pretty obvious y pakistan dose not want usa in there country.
Yet they still need USA help to patrol the borders and deal with Taliban sympathizers that are violent towards different people.
If old news is old, then you suck at observations:Suicide bomber 20082008 suicide bomber camps2008 Children's Suicide Bomber camp in PakistanXxXZero_BeatXxX im aware of the explellings of the japs and so on and actaully no u did not grow out of it. if usa even tried to do that then there would be 100xs more chaos
Um, learn your history. We expelled the Japs before we learned about the atrocities Muslims can commit. We know that there's no point in expelling Muslims, which is precisely why we don't do it; we're a country of different types of people, which most of us take pride in it. XxXZero_BeatXxX XxXZero_BeatXxX we did not need YOU lol CIA trained them yea
um, HELLO, they were USA CIA agents. b XxXZero_BeatXxX ut it wasnt for the entire war it was VERY temperary it was pakistani ARmy that defeated 500,000 spetnaz soilders thats gave the SSg the name "black storks" where do u think the taliban got its name from? the pak army trained them and named them taliban which means student and on top of that osama was bringing in a hell lot of money from saudi arabia. plus he was very educated.
We trained you guys to kill the Commies. Otherwise, you'd never have gotten rid of the blasted Russians. We freakin worked with bin Laden. The Mujahadeen ruled after we helped you kick the commies out, then the Taliban came. Do I need to shove a timeline in your face?XxXZero_BeatXxX wat abunch of nonsense ive interviewed so many people from muslim countries even weman and they get treated very well. What, because they were forced to say that they get treated well or otherwise get treated badly XxXZero_BeatXxX dont talk to a non muslim about how WE muslims feel and treat eachother if u want to be fair ask a muslim themself instead of watching CNN and going on the internet
First off, I don't watch CNN. I go check HUMANITARIAN places. Amnesty international doesn't get its kicks from making up crap about Muslims. Human Rights watch doesn't get a thrill from making up stories. These are non-profit organizations dedicated to creating a better world. Heck, they aggressively complain about the USA. Muslim women complain tooIranian women complains of abuseAm I saying all Muslims abuse their wives and daughters? No. But I haven't seen Shariah law work all th
at well, for non-Muslims and Muslims alike.
Don't lump me with your misconception of the stereotypical American that doesn't attempt to think before he/she acts.
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:56 pm
Absurd Thought XxXZero_BeatXxX the quran permits an eye for an eye. u destroy our places of worship we will return the favor.
Your places of worship wouldn't be destroyed if Muslims didn't fight from the freaking mosques. And most religious places of worship were in places other than Palestine and have nothing to do with the Palestinian-Israeli war. They were simply places of worship that were targeted for no other reason than they were not mosques. Most Jewish and Christians have learned to accept you guys. Otherwise, there would be even less tolerance in the US and we'd be propagating the "stereotypical Muslim" concept like you claim we do.
The Qu'ran permits and eye for an eye? No wonder you guys are so messed up! Grow up and learn something other than primitive reasoning of a two-year old. an eye for an eye is justice. second we fight from the mosques becuz the enemy attacks when we are there....... simply. just like the battle of the shia town of Ali A.S NAJAFF while the muslims were praying the americans opened fire accusing muslims for gathering up men to fight. but the american forces lost in that battle and they still cant gain it. ur right places like bosnia and chechnea lol and etc i suggest u get there side of the story rather then just researching on what some american non muslim wrote about and taking pics. XxXZero_BeatXxX o wow do you see what they do to us??? the israelis even said "we vow to wipe out muslim filth"
Well if "Muslim filth" are conducting suicide bombings, then I'd be inclined to agreed with them. I told you that neither side is innocent. Both Israelis and Palestinians have screwed up majorly.
lol historically israel is PALESTINIAN LAND !!! they want it bak regardless of who ruled palestine at the time. but that dose not matter since the palistinians only want israel to return to its original state but iran thinks it shud be destoryed completely i doubt the palestinians mind. like i said GET THE FULL STORY sure sucide is forbidden but they r doing for there freedom and FOR THERE reason !!! palestine is a poor nation they dont have AS many guns like the usa gives to israel they dont have many tanks hell they dont even have AC. lil boys fight with sticks and stones and we r the "terorrist" as a matter of fact ISrael is the terorrist !! they shoot homing missels at innocent apatment buildings have you ever heard a hamas interview?????? and Y they r fighting??? lol the zionist there beat and rape weman and childeren and kidnapp little boys. when they rape a weman its for there "honor" altho i dont support hamas completly i generally understand y they want them out. i very sure that hamas knows about there history and have a strong reason of there struggle against the zionist XxXZero_BeatXxX What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear wink unto this day.(Rom 11:7- cool Here, use a real complete bible that's not stuck in old-school view: Quote: 7 What follows? Israel failed to find what it was seeking; only those who were chosen found it and the rest had their minds hardened; 8 just as it says in scripture: God has infused them with a spirit of lethargy; until today they have not eyes to see or ears to hear.
See, the problem here is that you take only a snippet that benefits you instead of bothering to understand the whole thing.
I may be atheist, but I was Catholic beforehand, and I have studied Christianity already.
The point of Romans was to explain to the Gentiles that Israel is not abandoned by god, that the Gentiles should not fear the power of the Jews, who were pretty strong during the time of the Roman Empire rule during the rise of Christianity. It's a reminder to the Jews that their god is All-Powerful, and their god is free to distribute his love wherever and whenever. It's all right here
okayy ill start reaing the bible more then usual just to understand and have some more knowlege about it. i know wen im mistaken XxXZero_BeatXxX And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers . Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth , from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation . O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (Mat 23:30-3 cool
Again, if you bothered to learn more about the book beforehand, you'd realize that the script is not condemning the Jews, but the Pharisees, which were notorious for their blindness, hypocrasy, ect.
Gosh darn it, I do not care for organized religions, but I will not let people not give them a fair fight. XxXZero_BeatXxX i did not say its fine to commit sucide for allah y r u using a rebuttle? In case you are unfamiliar with the concept of debate, I am reminding you of what your past sayings: Quote:
another thing is that the blowing youself up part is a sin yea thats obvious but Allah goes by your intentiion not what you do Allah knows why they do it. XxXZero_BeatXxX shall i continue that little story i told u about y they were cursed??? in detail?
Sure. Calling the Jews cursed makes as much sense as calling Muslims retarded and the Christians bloody pagans.
XxXZero_BeatXxX LOL i been to the border of pakistan and afghanistan there not any sucide bomber camps lol that OLD news have u ever heard of operation FATA lol there are not any left its pretty obvious y pakistan dose not want usa in there country.
Yet they still need USA help to patrol the borders and deal with Taliban sympathizers that are violent towards different people.
If old news is old, then you suck at observations:Suicide bomber 20082008 suicide bomber camps2008 Children's Suicide Bomber camp in PakistanOK first off that is VERY old news just because it says 2008 dose not make it present day. it even said "musharaff resigned last week". i told u already Pakistan is cunducting FATA operation in waziristan. ever since then there R NO sucide bombers there we pakistani soilders do 50 to 70 operations and patrols to make sure its clean of suspects. the only way for them to come is if they try to cross the border recently 15 already died that i have witnessed in combat. secondly reporters only take information suitable for there needs to show the public. those sucide bomber camps for childern u showed me in ur link was a a propaganda video that was denied by our government. and betulla messud a terrorist chief of the pakistan waziri fighters was assassinated by the pakistani ISI according to my experiances in pakistan we dont need US help in patroling borders. USA is just pissed off that it cant enter pakistan...... it failed NUMEROUS times. EVEN some AC were shot down that was not made public by american news channels. 3 ameican AC were shot down by the pakistani SSG. but it was kept seceret by the usa government. BUT wen a spy plane hits pakistan occasionally they jump for joy and place it on the meadia. .....supposedly killing al queda suspects.....which is a load of crap. they sent spy planes VERY often every day more then once........ and 95% they r shot down. but yet agian CF of pakistan air defence is occupied with kashmir so occasionally there will be a hit once or twice. XxXZero_BeatXxX im aware of the explellings of the japs and so on and actaully no u did not grow out of it. if usa even tried to do that then there would be 100xs more chaos
Um, learn your history. We expelled the Japs before we learned about the atrocities Muslims can commit. We know that there's no point in expelling Muslims, which is precisely why we don't do it; we're a country of different types of people, which most of us take pride in it. XxXZero_BeatXxX Ahem .. YA u SURE do lol XxXZero_BeatXxX we did not need YOU lol CIA trained them yea
um, HELLO, they were USA CIA agents. ???? did u bother reading the sentence??? WAT OTHER CIA IS there??? BUT USA????? b XxXZero_BeatXxX ut it wasnt for the entire war it was VERY temperary it was pakistani ARmy that defeated 500,000 spetnaz soilders thats gave the SSg the name "black storks" where do u think the taliban got its name from? the pak army trained them and named them taliban which means student and on top of that osama was bringing in a hell lot of money from saudi arabia. plus he was very educated.
We trained you guys to kill the Commies. Otherwise, you'd never have gotten rid of the blasted Russians. We freakin worked with bin Laden. The Mujahadeen ruled after we helped you kick the commies out, then the Taliban came. Do I need to shove a timeline in your face?AGAIN UR WRONG the cia DID NOT TRAIN THE MUJAHIDEEN !!! USA gave aid to pakistan to TRAIN them for the USA. pakistan even put there own forces in the combat !!! where do u think the name TALIBAN COMES FROM??? pakistan named them!!! it was PAkistani captins who lead the afghan and othe arab volunteers from victory to victory.!! we even let thousand of refugees in to OUR country to keep them save from russians and afghan military KHAD forces I suggest u read the book "My Jihad" it was 300 pakistani seals who killed 500,000 russian GRU and spetnaz soilders !!! we were even called black storks by the russians. as for bin ladin u did not work with him......when he came from saudi arabia he got his own money and training in tactics. when he came in pakistan withdrew some of its forces and CIA backed off totally. now since we r talking about jihad this afghan russian war was a jihad and ever since they left afghanistan was at peace (uintil 9/11) XxXZero_BeatXxX wat abunch of nonsense ive interviewed so many people from muslim countries even weman and they get treated very well. What, because they were forced to say that they get treated well or otherwise get treated badly LOL is that wat u think??? i inteviewed weman.....muslim weman who did not wear a HIJAB in fron tof there husband in muslim countries !!! theres lots of things who have to know before u start critizing. get the other side of the story instead of non muslim made documentaries and website info. XxXZero_BeatXxX dont talk to a non muslim about how WE muslims feel and treat eachother if u want to be fair ask a muslim themself instead of watching CNN and going on the internet
First off, I don't watch CNN. I go check HUMANITARIAN places. Amnesty international doesn't get its kicks from making up crap about Muslims. Human Rights watch doesn't get a thrill from making up stories. These are non-profit organizations dedicated to creating a better world. Heck, they aggressively complain about the USA. so wat just cuz they complain about usa dose not make them a true source ........ Muslim women complain tooIranian women complains of abuseAm I saying all Muslims abuse their wives and daughters? No. But I haven't seen Shariah law work all th
at well, for non-Muslims and Muslims alike.
Don't lump me with your misconception of the stereotypical American that doesn't attempt to think before he/she acts. like the quran the shaira was used out of context !!! i already explained this in another post. a true muslim who follows it knows the regulations and exceptions !! the shiaria law permits things in context !!!! ur problem is that u are putting politics with religon. politics is NEVER black and white i suggest u read the quran or go to a mosque and ask a imam im sure they would be more than happy to answer ur questions and feelings. just cuz there r sooo many muslims who have there view of islam dose not make it the only path!!! there is only 1 true path that permits ORGINZED JIHAD with attacks ur personal aggression and external comflicts with bravery not sucide bombing and such !!! nowadays the occupation of afghanistan and palestine and etc... is because of what we r in our hearts!!! instead of fighting for god they are fighting with hatered!!! my point in this thread was to support them in there victory and pray that they see the light !!! and the TRUE islam and what it rlly is !!! and pray that they soon find out how to make an orginazed jihad!!! the quran states these thing and gives explanation on how to perform jihad and how to treat weman !!! i did not say i support every little thing and that they have to support there actions and go fight.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:24 am
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:34 am
XxXZero_BeatXxX XeroRyn Jihad is not all about war what muslim r you? and then although muslim in the place stated being oppress why their is need of such fight? yes we should fight our enemy but is is right for us to seek revenge? to kill innocent life we muslim do accept the probabilities for war but we are not encouraging one why do us muslim behave like this, this is not the real teaching of islam let us look in the history of Meqqa where Rasulullah and the muslim were oppress but do they suicide them selves? Ever they kill innocent lives? Rasulullah showed a great charisma in war..how? He FORGIVE and give chances.... Fellow muslim...we are much better then this. jihad is not all about war but if u kill innocent lives by the name of Allah....you are tainting His name, muslim name and bring this terrorism images to us so where is the fault for to blame? we have right to protect ourselves but we dont have the right to kill innocent lives if we refer to the qur'an, fully there is no such thing as killing innocent lives bro i understand how u feel many muslims do. i never said i supported sucide bombings. and killing of innocents im not asking any muslim to support everything. all i was asking is to pray for them so they see the true light and be victorous. further more the quran states "drive them out from the places they drove you out" and many more verses which i will post l8er on.. they are many muslims who seek god but end up following the devil. even thogh the israelies want to "wipe out muslim filth" we should not do the same to there civilans even though the quran permits an eye for and eye "...allah does not love agressors" quran but we have every right to fight them till the last drop of blood salamz what do you mean by true light? what do you want them to achieve?
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:30 pm
Assalamu Alaykum XxXZero_BeatXxX, good post.
I can tell we agree a lot on some issues. smile
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:05 pm
If you whant me to read this, I ain't going to do it razz
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:11 am
Salam,Jihad is the right thing, ok, let me ask you this question, if some one comes and your walking and they attack your mom and kill her, you would first fight them, then if you go to extremes, you would kill one of their family members, thats how it is like in afghanistan and other countries, u c the taliban are fighting for ALLAH's cause, I even give respect to AL- Qaeda, when you hear taliban raping people, its all false, when ALLAH had ordered us to cut peoples hand if they steal, that s what they do but after all that they are called barbaric people. and also the hadith where it says that jihad will go on till the day of judgement, or until Dajjal, y do u people deny the fact that Jihad is compulsury when a muslim country is attack and also the great sheikh ibn taymiya had stated that jihad becomes fardh when even a handspan of muslim land is attacked. Jihad is the enemy of shaytaan and our friend, we dont go killing innocent people, we wait until those so called innocent people attack, then we fight, its self defence, we have been spreading the knowledge of Islam for a long time, but by doing Jihad we have conquered more, how can you deny the fact of Jihad when even the prophet (SAW) had gone to 17 or 18 ghazawat (battles). wasalam and ALLAH knows best.
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